Return-Path: Received: from smtp.abac.com ([208.137.248.30]) by truman.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.1 release 219 ID# 0-52269U2500L250S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 11:03:40 -0500 Received: from Xi (sd-ppp-143.abac.net [208.137.255.43]) by smtp.abac.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id IAA11243 for ; Sat, 16 Jan 1999 08:05:06 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <4.1.19990116061437.00a12100@mail1.abac.com> Message-Id: <4.1.19990116061437.00a12100@mail1.abac.com> Date: Sat, 16 Jan 1999 06:34:23 -0800 To: From: Buchanan & Newcomer Subject: Flutter Modification In-Reply-To: <19990116051526.AAA26353@truman.olsusa.com> X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Mime-Version: 1.0 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Rob, I'm also confused about Martin's material orientation. The most conservative design solution would be to mimic the orientation of the original material. That way you don't introduce any stress risers. Industry standard nomenclature would orient 0 degrees with the fabric warp. (I.e. the strongest direction. 7781 has 11% more yarn in warp, (i.e. the long way off the roll,) than in fill.) Thus Martin seems to specify in words that the fabric be oriented 0/90. However, his installation sketch implies that the fiber might be oriented +/-45. THIS IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. One is not the same as the other. You MUST call Martin and obtain clarification, and Marv, you might ask Martin to clarify the web article, as well. [[I'm headed out of town on business but will be back in a week. I'll try to get Martin to clarify this upon my return. Naturally, if anyone else out there manages to get in touch with him in this regard in the meantime, please pass the info along in a normal LML posting. I'll clean up the details on the flutter page of my site when I have a chance. ]] From what I can see reading Martin's article, he tried some FEA solutions, found a good one, and presented it. I see no indication of WHY that particular solution worked. This makes variation from his analytical solution extremely dangerous, as you don't know what caused the flutter speed to increase. Was it increased bending stiffness? Was it increased torsion stiffness? Was it additional shape control? (When a thin tube bends, it flattens, decreasing the bending inertia, reducing the stiffness, allowing it to bend more, flatten more, etc.) Without knowing exactly how the improvement worked, your modification might completely miss the mark, leaving you with a WORSE potential flutter problem because all you'll have done is add weight. Martin's cavalier response is unconscionable. (And, I hope, taken out of context.) He should have told you all of this and more. Guy Buchanan Buchanan & Newcomer