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From: Jim McIrvin <pilot195@rocketmail.com>
Subject: Re: [LML] Stall recovery and spin avoidance
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re: JJ Johnson's and Paul Davis' posts...

Actually, this is more of a "pile on" (as in the ol' football dog pile), than a "re:" ...

When I started teaching "upset recovery" in the Decathlon, I had a real eye-opener.  I took one of my CFI students out for his spin endorsement, and did the upset course as well.  This was a guy who was "above average" in all respects in the other flying I had done with him.  In spite of his KNOWLEDGE of how to recover from an unexpected upset ("roll thru" vs "pull thru"), AND in spite of my verbal instruction/reminder of what was coming and what to do before the event, in the first two ... yes, TWO ... he pulled thru vs. rolling.. at a much worse loss of altitude.

What am I saying here?  Mainly, that until you and I go out and get qualified, expert, instruction, all the book knowledge and theory is just that.  Theory.  We need to put it to practice to imprint it into our "hand/brain interconnect" so that we do the right thing at the right time.  That goes for stalls, too.

My pitch to you is:  get the training.  It can be at your local aerobatic training center - www.iac.org has links to numerous training centers.  

I have access to a Pitts S-2B a Super Decathlon and a Stearman, if you want to come to San Antonio.  I will travel to you, if you have the plane.  I can teach you in your Lancair -- but we won't spin it!! 

By the way - as an "advanced handling characteristic" demo, we teach aft stick stalls in the T-38 in the USAF, where we descend several thousand feet with the stick held full back and centered.... 

Jim McIrvin
pilot195@rocketmail.com
210-275-7780
Lancair instructor

 

 



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<P>re: JJ Johnson's and Paul Davis' posts...</P>
<P>Actually, this is more of a "pile on" (as in the ol' football dog pile), than a "re:" ...</P>
<P>When I started teaching "upset recovery" in the Decathlon, I had a real eye-opener.&nbsp; I took one of my CFI students out for his spin endorsement, and did the upset course as well.&nbsp; This was a guy who was "above average" in all respects in the other flying I had done with him.&nbsp; In spite of his KNOWLEDGE of how to recover from an unexpected upset ("roll thru" vs "pull thru"), AND in spite of my verbal instruction/reminder of what was coming and what to do before the event, in the first two ... yes, TWO ... he pulled thru vs. rolling.. at a much worse loss of altitude.</P>
<P>What am I saying here?&nbsp; Mainly, that until you and I <U>go out and get qualified, expert, instruction</U>, all the book knowledge and theory is just that.&nbsp; Theory.&nbsp; We need to put it to practice to imprint it into our "hand/brain interconnect" so that we do the right thing at the right time.&nbsp; That goes for stalls, too.</P>
<P>My pitch to you is:&nbsp; get the training.&nbsp; It can be at your local aerobatic training center - <A href="http://www.iac.org">www.iac.org</A> has links to numerous training centers.&nbsp; </P>
<P>I have access to a Pitts S-2B a Super Decathlon and a Stearman, if you want to come to San Antonio.&nbsp; I will travel to you, if you have the plane.&nbsp; I can teach you in your Lancair -- but we won't spin it!! </P>
<P>By the way - as an "advanced handling characteristic" demo, we teach aft stick stalls in the T-38 in the USAF, where we descend several thousand feet with the stick held full back and centered.... </P>
<P>Jim McIrvin<BR><A href="mailto:pilot195@rocketmail.com">pilot195@rocketmail.com</A><BR>210-275-7780<BR>Lancair instructor</P>
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