Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.7) with ESMTP id 1148824 for rob@logan.com; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:45:24 -0500 Received: from smtp.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.3]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:40:46 -0500 Received: from WS_01.olsusa.com ([205.245.9.210]) by smtp.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:38:07 -0500 Message-Id: <5.0.0.25.2.20020326184041.00ab1c18@pop3.olsusa.com> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 18:55:57 -0500 To: lancair.list@olsusa.com From: Paul Kapcin Subject: Safety Pilots Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Reposted for: Larry_Eversmeyer@mmacmail.jccbi.gov According to =F5 91.109(b), a safety pilot must possess at least a private certificate with appropriate category & class ratings. Is it necessary for that safety pilot to be "current" in the aircraft (landings, etc.)? Requirements of 61.55 specifically exempt safety pilots [=F5 61.55(d)(4)], but where are the safety pilot criteria actually spelled out. Section 61.57 refers to pilot-in-command requirements, but a safety pilot is not PIC, only a required crew member. Further, has there ever been an interpretation that the safety pilot must be Instrument Rated for that type of VFR operation? ANSWER: Ref. =F5 61.31(d)(1); =F5 61.51(e)(1)(iii), =F5 61.51(f)(2), =F5 61.3(c); =F5 61.56(c), =F5 61.57(c); A safety pilot is a "required crewmember" and must hold at least a valid private pilot certificate with category and class ratings appropriate to the aircraft being flown per =F5 91.109(b) and a valid medical certificate per =F5 61.3(c). A valid pilot certificate is one which has not been revoked or under suspension. That person who is serving as a safety pilot may choose to act as the legal pilot-in-command (per 14 CFR part 1) and log the time as PIC [per =F5 61.51(e)(1)(iii)], or otherwise log the time as SIC time [per =F5 61.51(f)(2)], but is not even required to log the time at all. However, the safety pilot's name must be logged by the person practicing instrument flight [per =F5 61.51(g)(3)(ii)]. If the safety pilot is going to act as the legal PIC for the flight that person must ?. . . Hold the appropriate category, class, and type rating (if a class rating and type rating are required) for the aircraft to be flown;? [per =F5 61.31(d)(1)]. ). And if the flight is conducted in a high performance, complex, tail wheel, etc. aircraft and the safety pilot is acting as the legal PIC that pilot must have the appropriate endorsements that are required by =F5 61.31(e), (f) and/or (i), as appropriate. This could be a reason why a safety pilot might only be able to serve as an SIC and log it asSIC time. If the safety pilot is not acting as PIC or logging PIC flight time the he does not hafe to have these indorsements. And assuming the operation is a simulated instrument flight (as in the case the flight is performed in VMC conditions under IFR), the safety pilot would not need to hold an instrument rating. If any portion of the flight were conducted on an IFR flight plan (e.g., in and out of the clouds and/or even on an IFR flight plan) at least one of the pilots must have an instrument rating and the =F5 1.1 PIC must be instrument current in accordance with =F5 61.57(c) and be Flight Review current in accordance with =F5 61.56(c). <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To all those FAR gurus on the list, Does anyone know of a FAR or other FAA document that requires the safety pilot (for simulated instrument flight) in a complex aircraft to possess a complex endorsement. The only references I find states that the safety pilot must be rated in category Chris Zavatson...N91CZ....L360std >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>