Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.7) with ESMTP id 1144009 for rob@logan.com; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:52:34 -0500 Received: from stoel.com ([198.36.178.140]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 11:42:41 -0500 Received: from pdx-smtp.stoel.com ([172.16.1.137]) by gateway.stoel.com with ESMTP id <118185>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:58:59 -0800 Received: from PDX-MX1.stoel.com ([172.16.1.172]) by pdx-smtp.stoel.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.2966); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:44:02 -0800 content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Insurance Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 08:44:01 -0800 Message-ID: <5458ED2469307644B8BA64EDE0FD44175383AA@PDX-MX1.stoel.com> Thread-Topic: Insurance Thread-Index: AcHOnBqlJOmx9zqKEdaJzwAQS/k/NQ== From: "Halle, John" To: Cc: Return-Path: JJHALLE@stoel.com X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Thanks to Heidie and the Lancair people for putting together the list of agents. For those who are moved to take comfort in the length of the list, you should be aware that there is not an underwriter (the folks that put money at risk) on the list. The list is simply people who will contact underwriters on your behalf to try to get insurance for you. If there are no underwriters willing to write coverage, they will be unsuccessful. As best I can tell, there are somewhere between three and seven underwriters willing to CONSIDER writing insuarance for high-performance homebuilts (which does not mean that there are any willing to insure you flying your aircraft.) As you all know by now, the list was recently reduced by one. We can try to take comfort in stories about how wooden-headed insurance people are (my personal favorite is the life insurance company that had no problem with my weekly paragliding trips but made me promise to give up my yearly resort-led scuba dive) but the stories will not increase the availability or reduce the cost of insurance for our aircraft. Underwriting decisions are driven by statistics and the statistics that the insurance companies (all of them, not just AVEMCO) look at are not kind to homebuilts. I don't know a single lancair/glassair/other owner that doesn't have a detailed explanation for why he and his aircraft don't belong in the risk category that includes the recent losses but insurance is, by definition, a process of sharing risk with folks that it is comforting to think of as dumber than you are. What can we do? We can work together to present to the insurance industry statistics that justify their underwriting our aircraft. Since the category "high performance homebuilt" has unfavorable statistics, we need to create a subset of that category that we can plausably claim is safer than the average. This will involve the participation of aircraft owners, builders associations and kit companies, hopefully working together. It will involve additional expense, additional hassle, additional time etc. It probably means the creation of a group that voluntarily subjects itself and its aircraft to standards that substantially exceed the minimum standards required by law or current insurance minimum standards. (Yes, I know the foregoing statement is heretical.) It may also have the collateral benefit of reducing accidents and saving lives. On the assumption that we have had enough time to agree that insurance company executives are all imbeciles and this is all their fault, perhaps we could get a discussion going with all interested constituencies about what we can do about it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>