Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.7) with ESMTP id 1142823 for rob@logan.com; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 12:43:45 -0500 Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.106]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:44:50 -0500 Received: from AVIDWIZ@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id k.14e.a8c716f (4330) for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:47:12 -0500 (EST) From: AVIDWIZ@aol.com Message-ID: <14e.a8c716f.29c4d10f@aol.com> Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 11:47:11 EST Subject: AVEMCO Insurance To: lancair.list@olsusa.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Gentlemen of the list: I have some knowledge first hand of what prompted AVEMCO to stop underwriting Lancairs and from what I gather, Glasairs too. For the period of May thru July 2001, AVEMCO sustainted losses in excess of $1 Million of hull losses in the Lancair IVP category of which two were fatal accidents. In the case of the two fatal crashes, they are also at risk for hundreds of thousands of dollars in litigation exposure from the families of the dead pilots. The VP of claims at AVEMCO said to me and I quote" we will probably stop insuring Lancairs because of these losses as we would have to continue to write the fleet for 20 years loss-free just to make up for the damages we have suffered" So it was purely a business decision on the part of AVEMCO which I think all of us can understand. To their credit, AVEMCO did pay all the claims as they had agreed to do in their policy. I know this first hand as well for one of the Lancairs which crashed was mine which was the one built by John Kerner that crashed in Flagstaff AZ killing Tony Durizzi. With the goal of learning from experience, I would offer the following observations: 1) When you plunk down those big bucks for insurance, read the policy VERY carefully because you can be sure the insurance co will if you ever have a loss. For example, it was looking like AVEMCO might not pay me because even though Tony was a named pilot on the insurance policy, we could not locate his log book in order to prove his BFR date and the fact that he himself had initial and re-current training in the Lancair as required in the policy. Remember Tony was a 747 Capt with 30000 hrs and 1000TT in Lancairs and a CFII and DAR not to mentioned Lancair and AVEMCO approved test pilot. Imagine what they would do to one of us "average" guys. 2) When you add yourself as a named pilot, make sure you have everything properly documented as to your training. You most likely will have to be trained by a factory approved pilot for the initial training and re-current training every year thereafter. This is a very short list of approved people like Charlie Kohler, Dave Morss, Mike DeHate and a few others. BUT...get this list from Lancair IN WRITING and send it along with your signoff to your insurance co by certified mail so you can prove you have coverage. This is a major issue because in my case I discovered that the person who signed me off (Tony Durizzi) was approved by the factory for re-current training but not for initial training according to the letter the President of Lancair provided me after the crash. So if I had been flying the plane when it crashed guess what...NO COVERAGE! What that HAS meant in my case is that I have had to pay another instructor come out and provide initial training all over again in order to make sure that if anything ever happens, I have the coverage secured. The short story is IF YOU DO NOT CURRENTLY POSSESS A LETTER FROM LANCAIR WHICH SHOWS THAT YOUR INITIAL INSTRUCTOR IN THE LANCAIR YOU ARE FLYING IS APPROVED BY THEM YOU MAY HAVE NO COVERAGE WHATSOEVER! Get the letter and send it to your insurer TODAY! 3) Finally, we should all understand that this potential for encountering the inability to secure insurance is one which we as a group have brought upon ourselves. Our planes are crashing, those crashes cost money and the insurance industry have to make a profit and this income verses loss ratio is scaring them off. Every plane and every pilot should be checked very carefully and the factory cannot perform this function because they too fear the liability of one of their "approved" planes crashes. So what to we do? Brent Regan in an earlier post brought up an excellent plan for self insuring. Its worth reading on the list as he is a sharp cookie and has some great ideas. The association designed for collective bargining Brian mentions is valid and Jerry Brockhaus of AIG (1-800-733-9150) has already started the dialog with some underwriters about bringing this to life. In any event, the long term revolves around closer aircraft inspections, better built planes and better trained pilots If we don't start thinking that way we may wind up like the owners of a BD-5J...cool plane, very fast but no one will finance it or insure it. Regards, Dave Riggs >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>