Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.6) with ESMTP id 1128561 for rob@logan.com; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:46:50 -0500 Received: from imo-r10.mx.aol.com ([152.163.225.106]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:39:50 -0500 Received: from StarAerospace@aol.com by imo-r10.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v32.5.) id k.50.7bc1785 (3968) for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:42:33 -0500 (EST) From: StarAerospace@aol.com Message-ID: <50.7bc1785.29b99b37@aol.com> Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 23:42:31 EST Subject: Anyone not know about coffin corner? To: lancair.list@olsusa.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> << While on the subject of Lear 20/30, the story about "coffin corner" might be interesting to those potentially-high-flyers. Jack Kane >> Jack raises an important point here that we in the industry often take for granted that everyone wanting to fly high should know: coffin corner. It's the combination of increasing altitude at a given Mmo leading to lower and lower IAS until the difference between stall and Mach overspeed becomes too small to stay in during normal flight and turbulence. The critical factor most often overlooked is that as we go to lower IAS, the lift coefficient increases and with it, the critical Mach of the wing decreases. So Mmo goes down with IAS. Many aft cambered airfoils (including NACA 63, 64, 65) with a design lift coefficient of .4 or greater or significant aft camber demonstrate a Mach overspeed phenomenon called "Mach tuck". This is extremely dangerous and occurs when the negative moment coefficient change with Mach # is non linear and negative. In simpler terms, if you go to the wing's Mach limit and the aircraft noses down causing an acceleration that blows you right through your overspeed limit without enough time to react, that's Mach tuck. The Lancair IV wing may or may not exhibit Mach tuck at certain combinations of airspeed and altitude (CL vs. Mach), we don't know until it's tested. We do know that any aircraft taken to high enough altitude will eventually reach a point where it's wing will no longer support it below adjusted Mmo. For the TSIO-550 and turbine Lancairs, we'll probably run out of power long before that altitude due to the low wing loading. It is likely that we will hit a stability limit first. There are secondary "coffin corners" with respect to stability limits and engine power. As you climb and lose engine power, you can find yourself literally behind the power curve at very high TAS! IAS is the indicator, all you high flyers beware and take care. Thanks also to Jack for pointing out the difference between using the mass of a metal prop (actually rotational inertia) for "damping" (actually lowering the excitation frequency) and using an inherently energy absorbing material as a rotational damping medium. I think my explanation was oversimplified for this audience. Eric >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>