Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5.4) with ESMTP id 1044418 for rob@logan.com; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 22:04:12 -0500 Received: from smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com ([65.32.1.41]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:17:29 -0500 Received: from tednoel (24.27.218.186.division-ubr-a.cfl.rr.com [24.27.218.186]) by smtp-server3.tampabay.rr.com (8.11.2/8.11.2) with SMTP id g1C2Jjm25421 for ; Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:19:45 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <003d01c1b36c$fbe4cbc0$6401a8c0@cfl.rr.com> From: "Ted Noel" To: Subject: Oxygen and Atrial fibrillation Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:28:40 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> Ian Crowe asks what effect atrial fibrillation would have on oxygenation. First, I doubt that anyone with a-fib would be able to get a medical, so I assume that this person is a passenger. Now the nitty gets gritty. The issues of shunting and AMS are not affected by a-fib. But what happens is a reduction in cardiac output (CO). The heart doesn't push as much blood around with each beat because the atrium (the upper chamber) isn't pumping blood into the ventricle (the lower chamber). In theory, this causes about a 15% drop in CO. Since passengers are not exerting, this is not a big deal usually. Several factors come into play, however. First, theory and fact don't always meet. In my years of doing cardiac anesthesia, I have seen patients that drop their CO by 50% when they lose their atrial kick by going into a-fib. Also, the quality of the ventricle is in question. A failing ventricle will not pump as much blood. And a-fib is an irregular rhythm, so that some beats do better than others. Why worry about CO? Simple. The blood that comes to the lungs through the veins needs oxygen. It gave some up in the tissues. If CO is lowered, more oxygen is given up in the tissues, reducing mixed venous oxygen. This blood now goes through the lungs and picks up oxygen. But some shunts, and that shunted blood now has a larger effect on arterial oxygenation than venous blood with a higher oxygen level. It doesn't take a lot to drop SaO2 a LOT. This is just a glancing blow at some involved physiology. The equations are only algebra, but the concepts are what is important. (It's that shunt equation I mentioned 2 days ago.) Because predicting an individual person's response is very difficult, do what I do in the operating room: measure SaO2. Pulse oximetry is cheap insurance. Ted Noel MD ____________ The Bible Only --- If the Bible doesn't teach it, neither will we. --- http://www.bibleonly.org --- Webmaster --- tednoel@cfl.rr.com --- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://members.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please remember that purchases from the Builders' Bookstore assist with the management of the LML. Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>