Return-Path: Received: from pop3.olsusa.com ([63.150.212.2] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 3.5b3) with ESMTP id 867248 for rob@logan.com; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:53:06 -0400 Received: from king1.vineyard.net ([204.17.195.90]) by pop3.olsusa.com (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 0-71866U8000L800S0V35) with ESMTP id com for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:20:38 -0400 Received: (from mail@localhost) by king1.vineyard.net (8.11.3/8.9.0) id f8I2Vpd75407 for ; Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:31:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from psy83.vineyard.net(199.232.91.67) by K1.vineyard.net via smap/slg (V2.0) id sma075384; Mon Sep 17 22:31:39 2001 Message-ID: <002301c13fea$9bcd3a60$435be8c7@direct> From: "Ted Stanley" To: Subject: re: Max weight IVP Date: Mon, 17 Sep 2001 22:34:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailing-List: lancair.list@olsusa.com Reply-To: lancair.list@olsusa.com <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> << Lancair Builders' Mail List >> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<--->>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >> I asked Charlie Kohler about his 3400 max gross weight number. He emailed me and said: "Beautiful thing about the experimental category. You can name your own Max Gross weight. I would suggest that you follow the manufacturer's recommendation, however if there are circumstances in which you have made certain modifications (such as installing extended fuel tanks//winglets etc. etc.), then you may want to increase the maximum Gross weight based upon fuel being in the wing. The initial Gross weight and was established at 2800 pounds, was then later increased to 3200. This was an arbitrary change, this was not due to an increase in structural strength of the wing/fuslage. You will notice there is not much emphasis placed on "Normal, Utility and Aerobatic- G Loading" in the manual because it really doesn't exist as limits for an experimental aircraft. DAR's and ASI's would check the reasonableness of the figures. Charlie K." What's Zero Fuel Weight ? >From AC 23-10 AUXILIARY FUEL SYSTEMS FOR RECIPROCATING AND TURBINE POWERED PART 23 AIRPLANES Zero/Fuel Weight. Typically, civil airplanes are designed to carry fuel in the wings. In addition to any other advantages, locating the fuel in the wings relieves wing bending stresses and allows a higher maximum weight than would be possible with the same quantity of fuel located within the fuselage. For such airplanes, zero fuel weight is established as a limit to ensure that maximum wing bending stresses are not exceeded by replacing fuel in the wings with an equal weight of payload carried in the fuselage. When an auxiliary fuel tank is installed within the fuselage, the existing zero fuel weight limit is no longer directly applicable because the fuel contained in that tank does not relieve wing bending stresses. It is, therefore, necessary to reduce the zero fuel weight limit by the maximum usable fuel capacity of the auxiliary tank. Alternatively, the zero fuel weight limit may be redefined as the maximum zero wing fuel weight limit. Any fuel contained in the auxiliary tank would then be treated as payload from a weight and balance standpoint. Regardless of which procedure is used, the AFM must clearly state the limit and its meaning. Ted Stanley - A&P-IA - IV kit on order >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LML website: http://www.olsusa.com/mkaye/maillist.html LML Builders' Bookstore: http://www.buildersbooks.com/lancair Please send your photos and drawings to marvkaye@olsusa.com. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>