From: "Alex Madsen" <madsena@rose-hulman.edu>
To: "'Rotary motors in aircraft'" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: RE: [FlyRotary] PP variable intake
Date: Wed, 12 May 2004 12:24:21 -0500
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EDDIE tuning and Helmholtz operate on different principals.  EDDIE
tuning uses the pressure wave from one intake closing to force air into
the second intake. Helmholtz uses a reflected low pressure wave
(reflects into a high pressure wave) to force air into the same
cylinder. A resonant chamber will change will flip low pressure waves to
high pressure waves. You do not want this for the EDDIE tuning.

Alex Madsen

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On
Behalf Of kenpowell@comcast.net
Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 11:56 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] PP variable intake

Hi Mark,
Yes, I also considered the resonant chamber (also used on some
motorcycles, which is my real background).  The resonant chamber would
be lighter and maybe easier to build but I liked the 'tunability' of the
separate runners for each rpm range.  If I need either shorter or longer
runners I can change the length by inserting a longer runner connected
with hose & clamps.  Also, I have the formulas (I used Ed's formulas) to
calculate the tubing lengths and I don't have any idea on how to
calculate the needed volume of a resonant chamber.  It is also
interesting that some off road 2 strokes use a resonant chamber on the
exhaust as well.  I haven't ruled this out yet but the butterfly would
be living in a harsh environment ideed!  Maybe we should consider a
resonant chamber on the exhaust in an effort to get the overall length
shorter.  This would definitely be a research project for AFTER I get my
RV-4 built and flying (which will be NEVER at the rate I'm going!).

Ken Powell


> Ken,
> This is directed at the engineer types in the group... What I was
thinking 
> is would you actually need two separate runners, or could you add a 
> resonance chamber to the shorter intake so as to fool it into thinking
it 
> was longer than it actually was?  A butterfly valve could open and
close 
> the chamber.  I got this idea from studying the intake on my LS1 Chevy

> pickup.  It uses a resonance chamber in the intake between the air
filter 
> and the TB.  Not sure why, but though this same idea may work here
too.
> 
> Mark S.
> (back to lurking)
> 
> 
> At 02:19 AM 5/12/2004 +0000, you wrote:
> >Rusty,
> >I just gotta ask - why don't you just copy Tracy's intake and be done
with 
> >it???
> >
> >I calculated intake runner length for a PP engine last year but 
> >unfortunately I don't have the results here in sunny Florida (playing

> >tourist, much to the chagrin of the natives).  So these numbers mean 
> >nothing, but I THINK that I calculated that a 16" runner length for
7400 
> >RPM (2.85 redrive) and 24" for either 5600 or 6000 RPM.  The problem
we 
> >are all seeing here (and Ed is addressing) is that we need several 
> >distinct lengths to correspond to the differing engine RPM.  Since I
am 
> >dealing with a PP engine I am sorta on my on but Ed's work has been a

> >great help because his formulas will allow you to calculate the
length for 
> >a given RPM.  My thought on the solution to this is a little
different 
> >from Ed's infinitely variable length but simpler to build - since a
PP 
> >engine only needs 2 runners (1 per rotor) the idea is to have a short

> >runner (16") for high rpm and a long runner (24") for cruise; a
butterfly 
> >valve will be used to switch between the two.  I hope that this setup
will 
> >not need to be automated - set the butterfly to 'long' for takeoff,
climb 
> >and low altitude cruise and 'short' for WFO and high altitude cruise.
> >
> >Ken P.
> >
> >
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