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Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 36b99e9f7a0ead58bbc33d458fe70746; Wed, 21 Feb 2024 20:41:07 +0000 (UTC) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------dQCq0I7OBj33aQb06jcLu079" Message-ID: <4828d076-9814-4486-83c5-bc99627cf70e@sbcglobal.net> Date: Wed, 21 Feb 2024 12:41:03 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuelteck Content-Language: en-US To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.22077 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Content-Length: 13127 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------dQCq0I7OBj33aQb06jcLu079 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah, my 2017 truck ECU has been throwing all sorts of trash.  I understand it is not restricted to any particular make of vehicle.   The Teensy MCU I use for flap and trim control has never failed.  Sure, I'll take the Arduino. YMMV Terry On 2/21/2024 9:30 AM, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com wrote: > It does, and it's a really tempting option for the money. But can you > get a 'hardened' Arduino processor for it? The processors in the RWS > controllers, and the Micro/Mega stuff, and (I assume) the same or > similar processors as the automotive world, and they've been thrashed > in pretty much every possible manner by the auto mfgrs to beat out > potential failure modes due to the hostile environment they operate in. > > On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 11:11 AM Terry Adams terrywadams@sbcglobal.net > wrote: > > Speeduino does all that and costs $150 > > On 2/21/2024 6:47 AM, Les C lesphoto@hotmail.com wrote: >> I'm going to use Megasquirt  MS3 Ultimate on my 20B. I've been >> running a mega squirt in my Jeep for over 10 years. The unit has >> never failed me. It has a great user interface, the tuning >> software runs on a stable Linux platform, and allows me a view >> screen that is programmable with all my custom parameters. It >> easily handles three rotor ignition with split timing, staged >> fuel injection, multiple tables, multiple oxygen sensors, and >> multiple map sensors. Other features include fuel pump control, >> knock and detonation detection. This will allow me as close to a >> FADEC experience as possible. The tuning software will allow a >> number of custom inputs, including multiple pressure and >> temperature readings. Recording is continuous, and can be >> extracted via SD card, Bluetooth, or USB. The current pricing for >> the ECU only is about $1,300, and a copy of the tuning software >> is $80. A generic wiring harness is about $200. Additional costs >> for the oxygen sensor and controller will bring my total package >> up to about $2,000. Letme know if you have anyquestions. >> >> Get Outlook for Android >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft >> on behalf of David Leonard >> wdleonard@gmail.com >> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 20, 2024 6:53:56 PM >> *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft >> >> *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Fuelteck >> I am in the process of installing the fuetech as well.  I wanted >> to add that it also has a screen, visible in sunlight, that is a >> complete engine monitor, expandable, fairy useful, and data >> logging possible. >> >> add those features and it becomes cheaper than a EC2 + EM2 >> >> Dave Leonard. >> >> On Tue, Feb 20, 2024, 12:32 PM Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com >> wrote: >> >> Have been flying with the fueltech for possibly 8 years after >> my EMC caused problems.  tracy was able to fix, no problems, >> but due to time in freight to the US and OZ I was down for 6 >> weeks. Did fiddle with another local Oz version but was >> complicated. The local rotary gurus put me onto the fueltech >> which is also complicated as is designed for race cars / >> hotrods etc..  It does have a section especially for rotarys, >> possibly 3 pages but controls everything well. IN Oz at the >> time it was dear at $2800 AUD but had and still has backup. >> Controls spark, fuel, timing, turbo on a rotary. Then there >> is about 70 pages of stuff you will not need in aircraft, >> like gear change, burnouts, boost and whatever else they use >> in drag racing.  For me the big issue is backup which these >> days in OZ is impossible to get in anything. >> Neil Unger. >> > > -- > Communication ink and paper free > -- Communication ink and paper free --------------dQCq0I7OBj33aQb06jcLu079 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yeah, my 2017 truck ECU has been throwing all sorts of trash.  I understand it is not restricted to any particular make of vehicle.   The Teensy MCU I use for flap and trim control has never failed.  Sure, I'll take the Arduino. YMMV

Terry

On 2/21/2024 9:30 AM, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com wrote:
It does, and it's a really tempting option for the money. But can you get a 'hardened' Arduino processor for it? The processors in the RWS controllers, and the Micro/Mega stuff, and (I assume) the same or similar processors as the automotive world, and they've been thrashed in pretty much every possible manner by the auto mfgrs to beat out potential failure modes due to the hostile environment they operate in.

On Wed, Feb 21, 2024 at 11:11 AM Terry Adams terrywadams@sbcglobal.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Speeduino does all that and costs $150

On 2/21/2024 6:47 AM, Les C lesphoto@hotmail.com wrote:
I'm going to use Megasquirt  MS3 Ultimate on my 20B. I've been running a mega squirt in my Jeep for over 10 years. The unit has never failed me. It has a great user interface, the tuning software runs on a stable Linux platform, and allows me a view screen that is programmable with all my custom parameters. It easily handles three rotor ignition with split timing, staged fuel injection, multiple tables, multiple oxygen sensors, and multiple map sensors. Other features include fuel pump control, knock and detonation detection. This will allow me as close to a FADEC experience as possible. The tuning software will allow a number of custom inputs, including multiple pressure and temperature readings. Recording is continuous, and can be extracted via SD card, Bluetooth, or USB. The current pricing for the ECU only is about $1,300, and a copy of the tuning software is $80. A generic wiring harness is about $200. Additional costs for the oxygen sensor and controller will bring my total package up to about $2,000. Let me know if you have any questions.

From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> on behalf of David Leonard wdleonard@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2024 6:53:56 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuelteck
 
I am in the process of installing the fuetech as well.  I wanted to add that it also has a screen, visible in sunlight, that is a complete engine monitor, expandable, fairy useful, and data logging possible.

add those features and it becomes cheaper than a EC2 + EM2 

Dave Leonard.

On Tue, Feb 20, 2024, 12:32 PM Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Have been flying with the fueltech for possibly 8 years after my EMC caused problems.  tracy was able to fix, no problems, but due to time in freight to the US and OZ I was down for 6 weeks. Did fiddle with another local Oz version but was complicated. The local rotary gurus put me onto the fueltech which is also complicated as is designed for race cars / hotrods etc..  It does have a section especially for rotarys, possibly 3 pages but controls everything well. IN Oz at the time it was dear at $2800 AUD but had and still has backup. Controls spark, fuel, timing, turbo on a rotary. Then there is about 70 pages of stuff you will not need in aircraft, like gear change, burnouts, boost and whatever else they use in drag racing.  For me the big issue is backup which these days in OZ is impossible to get in anything.
Neil Unger.

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