X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.23.0 (ClamAV engine v0.103.0) X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-KAS-Score: 0 [] From: "James Whitehurst flyboyusvi@gmail.com" Received: from mail-lf1-f51.google.com ([209.85.167.51] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.3.5) with ESMTPS id 163096 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:02:15 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.167.51; envelope-from=flyboyusvi@gmail.com Received: by mail-lf1-f51.google.com with SMTP id r17so15643856lfe.2 for ; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 07:02:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=YHdBCrb8zvTVhK5+6lRcwx/8aDAi13Bn4IGR1twGIps=; b=BuoM7OObBCNWZXnpGTqBvvIk6sKUM+IPWunuK0AxqvTEW9jiMm9pUwcoe4ThXTNNzO vbyj96ySdNfaCsup7QYPeFzhHuNWiZ6Je6c0OfkFh+8hNGXTNgYKrIr9qIm+ZJAKwce5 7oYekun2DqzXWh1zqeo8ZPAGxrvIR7D0qgX6CAGkRFcrB015YF2rr4AMBkT7nXIfo14I nDUGHA1cYrA3KYAG56pCARekBQaQ0D0SkkIPfwTqxcd6ygczBfWH5DgwQjmWKB8cMHtN jVNalWDjejJc12dc/qSUl0WQYzSxDdbn3lJNBbhryK190Rgca4irUIFXyukbf0IBCOXx 1S4A== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=YHdBCrb8zvTVhK5+6lRcwx/8aDAi13Bn4IGR1twGIps=; b=LCFzX5Dn0zTH8fhPf3jDWENFZqgdGi2/zxuRCyNZSDFam3/JmgvAVQQx2LVASGgS/K 7p7qIXMJ42z81WZiQ/Es8tutRgGisFgX1ET8mD9w9nAkoB+IddubnH5mU5mWu5ohtmWw wHoVNjRa8zVr5+6WbY6P5FDN5f7EacQPpEL08VrRUIReF9QIxw7dwHjusotYFjLBd/nR yYh8QKxst+D0gL90s3gGsSEa5nuOqOaBUrDa5PROZFgDb25yfj06vr1US5K45sbeG/9r qMrtTSJXzXC6ZhpswvYAtJmkL+2K4h4559/mBvK/dqXwvQeC5jNtZ4mqqL0BSDYlr1qp I97g== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532l+1VmG+miQEv41/o+sB4Tb4Eg+/K0AwAT1xqAdC3DWuo2pAMD qRwfFPvaxIlvwQoluXpbotWoVne0fPfSbb4FLEFrNxhUCuk= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxazLZypAfwJpMR05G+wZXC7GuAT1ykpdmQrJfb5+YoWjTFCYwJAINwCbCs1xKeDavwr3sU2nfJptbzO1G+FuI= X-Received: by 2002:a05:6512:32c8:: with SMTP id f8mr13119683lfg.256.1627308115978; Mon, 26 Jul 2021 07:01:55 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 26 Jul 2021 10:01:43 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: EC-2 system, move to Fueltech? To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000316b3e05c8073292" --000000000000316b3e05c8073292 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I've been reading the mail for years...and it's been that long to get my Billet motors! They are beautiful and worth waiting for! I am finally working on the intake and turbo exhaust manifolds! So...since the topic is up and I am almost ready for ignition and fuel control systems, let me hear from those who have made mistakes and those that are totally happy with their selection of engine management systems on the 13b and why! What I should buy??? Thanks, James Whitehurst...relocated to Crystal Beach FL. Building 4 place twin 13b pusher amphibian. On Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 5:27 PM 12348ung@gmail.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Dave, > > Have been running the fueltech for some time now and > cannot fault it. Just putting my motor back finally with the turbo > attached. Cowl a =C2=BD inch too narrow, so back to fibreglassing and > reconnecting everything in between the day jobs. > > Have a great support bloke here that is just a phone call away which is a= n > enormous help. > > Neil. > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Sent:* Monday, July 26, 2021 3:04 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] EC-2 system, move to Fueltech? > > > > Hi Dennis, > > > > Such a hard time tracking down those things. BTW, do you happen to know > the voltage that the EC2 feeds the PCM? 5v or 12? > > > > Soneone mentioned that he was using the Fueltech so I looked into it and > bought one, mostly because it is a lot more flexible than the EC2 to help > troubleshoot issues. It also doubles as an expansive and flexible engine > monitor. For $1500 it duplicates the functions of the EC2 and provides = a > completely flexible engine monitor that can use virtually any automotive = or > aircraft sensors and also control things such as fuel pumps, aux fans, > wastegates, cowl flap motors... whatever you can dream up. The display = is > small but configurable and it is also to build multiple units on a CAN bu= s > to provide redundantcy and additional screens. Plug into your PC to uplo= ad > and download engine data and mixture maps. > > > > I dont have it running yet, but I mad a harness addaaptor to keep all my > previous EC2 wiring. > > > > Will let the group know when I get it working and provide a full report. > In the meantime it is something to look into. > > > > Dave Leonard > > > > On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 2:34 PM Dennis Haverlah clouduster@austin.rr.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > Bobby Hughes recently posted information on how I thought I had corrupted > the EC-2 in my RV-7A. All I tried to do was use mode 4 to balance the fro= nt > rotor ECT to match the rear rotor ECT!! Bobby and I worked together to te= st > the unit in the plane for over 5 hours last week! Thank You Bobby!! > > We were able to change or reset some programmable values but when we > started the engine and tried to adjust anything the system was > uncontrollable! Bobby =E2=80=93 with my encouragement - removed the EC= -2 circuit > board and we visually inspected it =E2=80=93 all looked fine. The next da= y I > removed the EC-2 (EPB?) engine program board. I found the *MODE > selection* micro switch has *one side of the switch unsealed*. We than > suspected the switch may be at fault. Static testing of the switch with = an > ohm meter showed it worked fine. > > A picture of the failed Mode switch: > > [image: switch] > > > > Bobby graciously loaned me his EC-2 EPB board to try . > > * I installed Bobby=E2=80=99s EPB and the problem has never showed up aga= in. * > > We reset all engine parameters to factory settings and the engine ran > OK. We went through the normal routine of adjusting engine fuel flow an= d > I reentered my latest copy of the Mixture Control Table. Now the engin= e > is running fine and I have flown it. I will be fine tuning the MCT some. > During this process the EC-2 programing worked perfectly. > > We have received several GREAT Emails concerning reprogramming the EC-2 > computer chips and we are working to get the equipment to copy the EC-2 > software and than dump it into new EC-2 chips. Other great info. sent to > us included instructions on excessing and reading the Hex Values of the > engine operating settings =E2=80=93 fuel flow, timing, staging point etc.= using > the EM-2. This allowed us to take pictures of the table =E2=80=93 make = changes =E2=80=93 > and see the values changed. > > After this experience, I would like to find a replacement for my EPB. I= f > I am unsuccessful, I will try to replace all the* mechanical* components > =E2=80=93 switches and veriable resistance pots. Not easy for me to do! = I also > would be interested in getting a spare LARGE BOX (6 =C2=BC INCH SQUARE B= OX ) > EC-2 that Tracy set up for LS-1 and Mazda RX-8 coils as a spare. If > someone has one of these they will not be using I would be interested in > purchasing it as well as an EM-2. > > I currently have access to a large box 3 rotor EC-2 we may be able to > reprogram and convert to a 2 rotor model. > > Dennis Haverlah > > RV-7A > > 900 hrs on Renesis RX 8, 4 port engine > > Tracy=E2=80=99s gear box RD1 =E2=80=93 C, EC =E2=80=93 2 and EM -2 > > --000000000000316b3e05c8073292 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all, I've been reading the mail for years...and it= 's been that long to get my Billet motors! They are beautiful and worth= waiting for!=C2=A0 I am finally working on the intake and turbo exhaust ma= nifolds! So...since the topic is up and I am almost ready for ignition and = fuel control systems, let me hear from those who have made mistakes and tho= se that are totally happy with their selection of engine management systems= on the 13b and why! What I should buy??? Thanks, James Whitehurst...reloca= ted to Crystal Beach FL. Building=C2=A0 4 place twin 13b pusher amphibian.<= /div>
O= n Sun, Jul 25, 2021, 5:27 PM 12348ung@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Dave,

=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 Have been running the fueltech for some time= now and cannot fault it.=C2=A0 Just putting my motor back finally with the= turbo attached.=C2=A0 Cowl a =C2=BD inch too narrow, so back to fibreglass= ing and reconnecting everything in between the day jobs.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Have a great= support bloke here that is just a phone call away which is an enormous hel= p.

Neil= .

=C2=A0

From: Rota= ry motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancairo= nline.net>
Sent: Monday, July 26, 2021 3:04 AM
To:<= /b> Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@= lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] EC-2 system, move = to Fueltech?

=C2=A0=

Hi Dennis,

=C2=A0

= Such a hard time tracking down those things.=C2=A0 =C2=A0BTW, do you happen= to know the voltage that the EC2 feeds the PCM?=C2=A0 5v or 12?<= /u>

=C2=A0

Soneone mentioned that he was using the Fueltech so= I looked into it and bought one, mostly because it is a lot more flexible = than the EC2 to help troubleshoot issues.=C2=A0 It also doubles as an expan= sive and flexible engine monitor.=C2=A0 =C2=A0For $1500 it duplicates the f= unctions of the EC2 and provides a completely flexible engine monitor that = can use virtually any automotive or aircraft sensors and also control thing= s such as fuel pumps, aux fans, wastegates, cowl flap motors...=C2=A0 whate= ver you can dream up.=C2=A0 The display is small but configurable and it is= also to build multiple units on a CAN bus to provide redundantcy and addit= ional screens.=C2=A0 Plug into your PC to upload and download engine data a= nd mixture maps.

= =C2=A0

I dont have it running y= et, but I mad a harness addaaptor to keep all my previous EC2 wiring.=C2=A0= =C2=A0

=C2=A0<= /u>

Will let the group know when I get= it working and provide a full report.=C2=A0 In the meantime it is somethin= g to look into.

= =C2=A0

Dave Leonard

=C2=A0

=

On Sat, Jul 24, 2021, 2:34 PM Dennis Haverlah clouduster@austin.rr.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Bobby Hughes recently posted information on how I thought I had cor= rupted the EC-2 in my RV-7A. All I tried to do was use mode 4 to balance th= e front rotor ECT to match the rear rotor ECT!! Bobby and I worked together= to test the unit in the plane for over 5 hours last week! Thank You Bobby!= !

We were able to change or r= eset some programmable values but when we started the engine and tried to a= djust anything the system was uncontrollable! =C2=A0=C2=A0Bobby =E2=80=93 w= ith my encouragement=C2=A0 - removed the EC-2 circuit board and we visually= inspected it =E2=80=93 all looked fine. The next day I removed the EC-2 (E= PB?) engine program board.=C2=A0 I found the MODE selection micro sw= itch has one side of the switch unsealed.=C2=A0=C2=A0 We than suspec= ted the switch may be at fault.=C2=A0 Static testing of the switch with an = ohm meter showed it worked fine.

A= picture of the failed Mode switch:

3D"switch"

= =C2=A0

Bobby graciously loaned me h= is EC-2 EPB board to try .=C2=A0

=C2=A0I installed Bobby=E2=80=99s EPB and the problem has never showed = up again.=C2=A0

=C2=A0We r= eset all engine parameters to factory settings and the engine ran OK.=C2=A0= =C2=A0 We went through the normal routine of adjusting engine fuel flow and= I reentered my latest copy of the Mixture =C2=A0Control Table.=C2=A0=C2=A0= Now the engine is running fine and I have flown it.=C2=A0 I will be fine t= uning the MCT some.=C2=A0 During this process the EC-2 programing worked pe= rfectly.

=C2=A0We have received se= veral GREAT Emails concerning reprogramming the EC-2 computer chips and we = are working to get the equipment to copy the EC-2 software and than dump it= into new EC-2 chips. Other great info. sent to us=C2=A0included instructio= ns on excessing and reading the Hex Values of the engine operating settings= =E2=80=93 fuel flow, timing, staging point etc. using =C2=A0the EM-2.=C2= =A0 This allowed us to take pictures of the table =E2=80=93 make changes = =E2=80=93 and see the values changed.

=C2=A0After this experience, I would like to find a replacement for my = EPB.=C2=A0 If I am unsuccessful, I will try to replace all the mechanica= l components =E2=80=93 switches and veriable resistance pots. Not easy = for me to do!=C2=A0 =C2=A0I also would be interested in=C2=A0 getting a spa= re LARGE BOX (6 =C2=BC INCH SQUARE BOX ) EC-2 =C2=A0that Tracy set up for L= S-1 and Mazda RX-8 coils as a spare.=C2=A0 If someone has one of these they= will not be using I would be interested in purchasing it as well as an EM-= 2.

I currently have access to a la= rge box 3 rotor EC-2 we may be able to reprogram and convert to a 2 rotor m= odel.

=C2=A0Dennis Haverlah =

=C2=A0RV-7A

900 hrs on Renesis RX 8, 4 port engine

Tracy=E2=80=99s gear box =C2=A0RD1 =E2=80=93 C, EC =E2=80= =93 2 and EM -2

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