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[220.235.91.9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id q22sm6292727pfk.2.2021.03.19.15.43.52 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 19 Mar 2021 15:43:53 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 14.0 \(3654.60.0.2.21\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] dynamic balance Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2021 06:43:49 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <8B861FAA-4A83-49CD-9DAF-490BFEE9ABE8@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3654.60.0.2.21) Thanks Steve > On 20 Mar 2021, at 6:36 am, Sboese sboese@uwyo.edu = wrote: >=20 > My method was to add weight to the first bolt until the resultant = phase angle coincided with a second bolt 90 degrees from that first = bolt. Then weight was added to that second bolt to minimize the overall = imbalance. This was done to avoid the method of trying to add different = weights to two bolts at a time. Either way should eventually work. >=20 > The weight added to each of the bolts was 8 grams or less. >=20 > Steve Boese=20 >=20 >> On Mar 19, 2021, at 3:34 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com = wrote: >>=20 >> =EF=BB=BFSo it lined up with one of the rubber damper bolts and you = didn't need to distribute the weight across two bolt locations? >> Thanks for the information Steve. >> Steve I >>=20 >>=20 >>> On 20 Mar 2021, at 4:38 am, Sboese sboese@uwyo.edu = wrote: >>>=20 >>> About 8 grams at one corner after the phase angle indicated the = light spot was aligned with that corner. >>>=20 >>> Steve Boese=20 >>>=20 >>> Sent from my iPad >>>=20 >>>>> On Mar 19, 2021, at 12:57 AM, Stephen Izett = stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> =EF=BB=BF=E2=97=86 This message was sent from a non-UWYO address. = Please exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from = external sources. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks Steve B. >>>> Do you recall how much weight was required to balance the engine at = the flex plate? >>>> Steve Izett >>>>=20 >>>>> On 19 Mar 2021, at 9:40 am, Steven W. Boese SBoese@uwyo.edu = wrote: >>>>>=20 >>>>> I did not try the procedure described by Finn where a weight was = attached at the four cardinal locations. >>>>>=20 >>>>> I used a Freescale MMA7260Q eval board as the 3 axis = accelerometer, a USB 6009 as an A to D unit and Signalexpress software = both from National Instruments, and a laptop computer to collect and = process the data. >>>>>=20 >>>>> The photo shows the setup for balancing the prop. The position = reference Hall effect sensor was installed on the red mount and clamped = to redrive. The sensor and mount were covered in modeling clay to = dampen resonance vibrations possible in this mount. The Hall effect = trigger was attached to the prop flange with double sided tape along = with an equal weight attached in the same way 180 degrees from the = trigger. The accelerometer is seen behind the red clamp and was = installed in a 1/4=E2=80=9D aluminum plate. This was screwed to a = second 1/4=E2=80=9D aluminum plate which was bonded to the redrive with = epoxy putty. Before the engine was started, a =E2=80=9Cthump test=E2=80=9D= was performed by striking the accelerometer lightly with a rubber = hammer and recording the results in order to verify the stiffness of the = accelerometer mount. The balance was adjusted by adding washers under = the screws which attach the spinner to the aft bulkhead and at the = angular location indicated by the processed data. The final balancing = weight was in the form of washers, nut, and bolt installed in the aft = spinner bulkhead. This weight took into account the difference in the = radius from the center of the prop shaft to the test washers under the = spinner screws compared to the radius to the location of the balancing = bolt, nut, and washers. >>>>>=20 >>>>> The engine was balanced by locating the Hall effect position = sensor where it would see a trigger attached to one of the damper plate = to flex plate bolts with an equal weight attached to the opposite bolt. = Washers of various weights were installed under two of the bolts until = the unbalance phase angle was aligned with one of the four bolts. Then = the weight under that bolt was adjusted until the balance was = acceptable. >>>>>=20 >>>>> Steve Boese >>>>> -- >>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> -- >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>=20 >>=20 >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html