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([2607:fb90:d05b:67bd:f8c4:f12f:2600:c7f6]) by smtp.googlemail.com with ESMTPSA id z10sm3522596oid.51.2021.01.30.17.38.46 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 30 Jan 2021 17:38:48 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Ross Farnham - Cooling video To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <408c9282-ebaf-4ae4-4e9c-ef1a6e4478d7@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 19:41:07 -0600 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FF436287CAEF4109A1BBBE4A" Content-Language: en-US X-Antivirus: Avast (VPS 210130-8, 01/30/2021), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------FF436287CAEF4109A1BBBE4A Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hey Bobby, I suspect that 34-36# number is for 2 blade composite blades in a constant speed hub. A typical Hartzell 2 blade aluminum for a 4 cyl Lyc weighs about 55# (not including the governor). The Sensenich fixed pitch metal for Lycs on RVs weighs about 35#. Charlie On 1/30/2021 6:32 PM, Bobby Hughes BHughes@qnsinc.net wrote: > > The anemometer will add a little flow resistance. Charlie’s tuff test > may be easier to visualize while trying different during vanes. The > prop is rated for an IO540  or up to 300 HP. Surprisingly most > constant speed props rated for 180 hp + weigh in at 34-36#. > > Bobby > > *From:*Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *Sent:* Friday, January 29, 2021 11:02 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Ross Farnham - Cooling video > > Bobby, I am going to bring down a leaf blower with my anemometer and > take measurements. Will add some turning vanes and test on the ground. > This is the tinkering I like to do, now that I have a flyable plane. > Holly crap, 48lbs for electric prop? > > Charlie, thank you for the pictures (and videos). I wonder with my > digital electronics, if I can get accurate enough to measure the > pluses. Place two pitot tubes facing front and back inside the > ducting. Hmm interesting. I agree with you that the wedge in theory is > different than in practice. My ducts are the same idea as yours, so > will add the turning vanes. > > Jeff, I wish we could exit out exhaust out the sides like in the Bull > Moose. I think with our high velocity of exhaust exit speed, we must > be able to harness that energy to help pull air out of the cowl. Just > a trade off of having a short exhaust dumping out, or long exhaust > under the cowl. > > Le Roux, thank you for the pictures. Right now I'm trying to duct my > side oil rad, down and out the cowl. If I need to get a bigger oil > rad, I'll have to move things around and add side adjustable cowl > louvers I think. > > > > > - Matt Boiteau > > On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 3:26 PM Le Roux Breytenbach > breytenbachleroux@gmail.com > > wrote: > > > Here is a link to the old contact magazine on old installations. > > You will see the side louvers on Ed Anderson RV6A > > Maybe he has still photos of the side louvers in his engine cowl. > > Think it is very effective if you install  it for a side mount > radiator > > https://issuu.com/contact.magazine/docs/contact_magazine_issue_87_rotary_is/41 > > > Le Roux > > Le Roux, I have talked with Alex a bunch over exit louvers > on the side. We are hoping to tune the exhaust dumping > better to help pull air out of the bottom of the cowl. I > don't see too many exit louvers though on planes. 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Hey Bobby, I suspect that 34-36# number is for 2 blade composite blades in a constant speed hub. A typical Hartzell 2 blade aluminum for a 4 cyl Lyc weighs about 55# (not including the governor). The Sensenich fixed pitch metal for Lycs on RVs weighs about 35#.

Charlie

On 1/30/2021 6:32 PM, Bobby Hughes BHughes@qnsinc.net wrote:

The anemometer will add a little flow resistance. Charlie’s tuff test may be easier to visualize while trying different during vanes. The prop is rated for an IO540  or up to 300 HP. Surprisingly most constant speed props rated for 180 hp + weigh in at 34-36#.

 

Bobby

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2021 11:02 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Ross Farnham - Cooling video

 

Bobby, I am going to bring down a leaf blower with my anemometer and take measurements. Will add some turning vanes and test on the ground. This is the tinkering I like to do, now that I have a flyable plane. Holly crap, 48lbs for electric prop?

Charlie, thank you for the pictures (and videos). I wonder with my digital electronics, if I can get accurate enough to measure the pluses. Place two pitot tubes facing front and back inside the ducting. Hmm interesting. I agree with you that the wedge in theory is different than in practice. My ducts are the same idea as yours, so will add the turning vanes.

Jeff, I wish we could exit out exhaust out the sides like in the Bull Moose. I think with our high velocity of exhaust exit speed, we must be able to harness that energy to help pull air out of the cowl. Just a trade off of having a short exhaust dumping out, or long exhaust under the cowl.

Le Roux, thank you for the pictures. Right now I'm trying to duct my side oil rad, down and out the cowl. If I need to get a bigger oil rad, I'll have to move things around and add side adjustable cowl louvers I think.

 


- Matt Boiteau

 

 

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 3:26 PM Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:


Here is a link to the old contact magazine on old installations.

You will see the side louvers on Ed Anderson RV6A

Maybe he has still photos of the side louvers in his engine cowl.

Think it is very effective if you install  it for a side mount radiator

 

 

Le Roux

 

 

Le Roux, I have talked with Alex a bunch over exit louvers on the side. We are hoping to tune the exhaust dumping better to help pull air out of the bottom of the cowl. I don't see too many exit louvers though on planes. Any reason for it?

 

 

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