X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.23.0 (ClamAV engine v0.103.0) From: "Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pf1-f169.google.com ([209.85.210.169] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 991497 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 03:36:52 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.169; envelope-from=stephen.izett@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf1-f169.google.com with SMTP id q10so9968282pfn.0 for ; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 00:36:53 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=KCRqAiakj7rpkzmP+mypntEuy7bPKEX3kZI66RPSgWc=; b=Fnkcx8hecxEs4thE7gdT1/3lWs/gF++SWcqZV1Dc5qOrfb3z4+rROFLXs1tl5EYrze Dp/Htft5wpmaQfAdv2ZdpaSuq4HIC6SsQ+txyc106zgXAaCiUhx4+1otrw7z83TXru/C a6PJ4dpxppiBtKqnbusEtSC52hgnrMwN56VEO0gOj+BWtGvSxbG7QWvajUp+LGazyOIN NCeVm2wkoOHDFHv88KYNeoczh3kzjJ+E8ZuI0OnwbjM4ycBb9inhzy22LImlMogcfTba OrrVgpS9fsZJ3mAdHCnQBLP/XjNQZhEwI+4OS86FRUSlWmoCJeTkp0NEMvoNCWdmiojV Cd5Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=KCRqAiakj7rpkzmP+mypntEuy7bPKEX3kZI66RPSgWc=; b=bdkzCeBB7/1yCJIb0iv8g1pGdXYXfnPDgCCtS92e3H+VdH0mC9moJm0srRZ8OU7bTq 58e3gEOjetfRmbmX/+eaOgST7W/NW87UGbLehxibHEAQ9i5gmsaIEkAUETEwJ7HGunEU rNI9sUb78PwkFKysN2xxmdtrGxEJzguqNYA6nbx+0GMnNEe3vOivM+nz0ReKlLTFlt2p dNMlkIEot+KPYxMdhP6WB8QYDjwvYPB/HXuGBGV+jZkfRnAaoT3OfbvrEYRUBtXtxclT THe0dCt/8UtJmiyy6117dD/g2oKsPxGXdX+TvblehbMD8Cae6q3mSTLnigj1PQ4kJ4ym aE0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533D6G+vdHB7sVtjL2ftxmw6FGSln7Id6q9prlsqZbjo2hZW3EeE VnShkKxCN/QV0HM6CHU8zNH3UhyzKgUeoA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJyubwx4MyY5njWinQtUuCxhcyt+icBf/8IDem4nsakerquS4mGoxzrwSmkjXX1RtrSoz27K+g== X-Received: by 2002:a62:248:0:b029:18c:992f:e407 with SMTP id 69-20020a6202480000b029018c992fe407mr17627231pfc.37.1606725395307; Mon, 30 Nov 2020 00:36:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from macbook-pro.lan (220-235-117-8.dyn.iinet.net.au. [220.235.117.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id w18sm15989502pfi.216.2020.11.30.00.36.33 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 30 Nov 2020 00:36:34 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Water Temps Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2020 16:36:30 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Thanks Steve I always appreciate your scientific understanding and explanations. Much appreciated. Steve > On 30 Nov 2020, at 1:34 am, Steven W. Boese SBoese@uwyo.edu = wrote: >=20 > Steve, >=20 > Your cooling system is a closed system with two heat exchangers, one = being the engine adding heat and the other being the radiator removing = heat. The delta T of the coolant across the engine and the delta T = across the radiator must be the same. Since there isn't much you can do = to change the characteristics of the engine as a heat exchanger, there = isn't much you can do to change the observed delta T. >=20 > As you change the characteristics of the radiator side of the system, = the inlet and outlet temperatures will change together until a steady = state is reached and the radiator can remove the amount of heat produced = by the engine. With increasing power, both the inlet and outlet = temperatures will rise by the same amount until the mass air flow = through the radiator together with the OAT results in the required = amount of heat removed from the system. The goal is to keep the average = of the inlet and outlet temperatures within reason. Delta T by itself = isn't a good indicator of the suitability of the radiator side of the = overall system. =20 >=20 > This all assumes that a thermostat isn't being used. With a = thermostat, the delta T across the radiator will be variable until the = bypass is completely closed, at which point the above behavior will be = seen. >=20 > The attached plot shows the effect of changing the air inlet and = outlet sizes but the delta T is essentially constant. =20 >=20 > =20 > Steve Boese > RV6A, 1986 13B NA, RD1C, EC2 >=20 > From: Rotary motors in aircraft on = behalf of Stephen Izett = stephen.izett@gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, November 29, 2020 1:08 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Water Temps > =20 > =C2=A1=C3=9F This message was sent from a non-UWYO address. Please = exercise caution when clicking links or opening attachments from = external sources. >=20 >=20 > Hi there people >=20 > Has anyone got data of actual delta T from inlet to outlet of their = water radiators > And if you do, what is the size of your inlet feeding the radiator, = IAS and OAT at those data points. >=20 > We have ~30 square inches of air into the water cooling > Water into the engine is these data points was 180F >=20 > Delta T KIAS OAT > 10F 153 54 > 8F 115 54 >=20 > I=C2=A1=C2=AFm now fine tuning our water cooling and wanting to = compare with other known data. >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Steve Izett > Glasair SuperIIRG Renesis 4 Port >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html