X-CGP-ClamAV-Result: CLEAN X-VirusScanner: Niversoft's CGPClamav Helper v1.23.0 (ClamAV engine v0.103.0) From: "Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pg1-f175.google.com ([209.85.215.175] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 967088 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 20 Nov 2020 17:29:44 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.215.175; envelope-from=stephen.izett@gmail.com Received: by mail-pg1-f175.google.com with SMTP id 34so8512877pgp.10 for ; Fri, 20 Nov 2020 14:29:45 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=gPvyQh5MiGFKi81un46Z8YSIIIe5alYVyNJDWfDKfPc=; b=d/+D63weZRZQOoGnjW/WDwRO0mgVkeCQA02yoID0H6LgPsGluGEJ+7Su1R/wFS0zoy MFjx0hdzfpo948Mr3R30ho2ySwx3R5iw8zgfL+SCBG24C1e0MmOGMdt/q+FDqkhjK7qO r5IM18SckyyX1msI+xH5Gn87lz6CN5862SYsq8Qdqp2PtJqwYos0bziN1V0tOCTJIbvg +ZHrfI6nllnLFQObpRxHnquXPfew0r2EAxkWzbPsxxC/wfupHHN8j79TBtgBPRthZxOn 6fGqQKG7A1tspUTBbHLZ+znPoTg1EKn+1b6jQ62EZZg3KSr2Pfy6xuoDT477TwP4kxlh /Ayg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=gPvyQh5MiGFKi81un46Z8YSIIIe5alYVyNJDWfDKfPc=; b=Nw0mmNYuzm384+mfO/UARRYeJFVeYpBpW25JS1llak93phP2AWqX9QUBwlPBAsKcBI uiXeAiM+jwyU4QBLeT4WaDFhaaeVlePlGgfGeGAkIrg5sfvFkX06d5DRZsW5QKjNTKEM EbRH/8/QYpTEFJzND1LPZe2lDucVOutNcpqa5w3L1Qz5voMkYDsNdrkhn3yK6aDuMt8w a35K6Zy5kSbujqJ81cnbRLBw5lKbUTgZY7irTzaAEa7n4nNFFoR4EHv+bzDyiPZhwQkl OH4AGXUd5dkheakVwen6uGgjPKUnnLAxB7PL83n5wHkGz5XonZBr5CTleefXKBR2YOqh RSJg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Ief1mzd+DcGzRqdw7nll5dgz2VwgXOn17RBbgXYJ7J+05xdnB FAQ6cB/uHhJexxDKRvaNS+24C5nNdjs= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwrXVIJsLTZUvGZSeUEyuLExAEFwEsNnVB+YQSjnpIF7bZCpQWT5SZymIzoLthCiB8AKlK7BQ== X-Received: by 2002:a17:90a:178b:: with SMTP id q11mr12060874pja.132.1605911366315; Fri, 20 Nov 2020 14:29:26 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from macbook-pro.lan (220-235-117-8.dyn.iinet.net.au. [220.235.117.8]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id x2sm5032196pfp.13.2020.11.20.14.29.24 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-ECDSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 20 Nov 2020 14:29:25 -0800 (PST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 13.4 \(3608.120.23.2.4\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Cooling Mods to Glasair Date: Sat, 21 Nov 2020 06:29:21 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3608.120.23.2.4) Thanks Charlie. I=E2=80=99m not looking forward to playing with the cowl flaps. I wish I could just install 2 of Antisplat Aero=E2=80=99s units. We will see! Steve > On 20 Nov 2020, at 10:58 pm, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com = wrote: >=20 > When I was preparing to build my wedge diffuser, Tracy looked at my = mold & thought it looked a little too thick at the back (IIRC, it varied = from about 4.5" at the front to a bit under 1/2" at the back). When I = tested it using a leaf blower & a piece of thread on a stick to = visualize exit flow, virtually all the air was coming out the back 1/4 = of the radiator's area. I ended up with the back edge of the diffuser = almost touching the core, to get even flow across the full face of the = core. It's not a straight wedge; it's almost the inverse of the curve = you see in a K&W Streamline Diffuser. I'm nowhere near flying, so I = can't tell how effective it will be for actual cooling, but at least = exit air flow is fairly even across the face of the core. >=20 > Cowl flaps: I remember Bill Eslick having issues with being able to = close his cowl flap due to air pressure holding it open, and I think he = ended up using the flap actuator linear actuator used for RV's wing = flaps. I later saw an idea from another friend's Lyc powered RV8. He put = the pivot point for his cowl flap near the middle of the flap, so it = acts more like a throttle butterfly. The leading edge of the flap is = rounded like a teardrop, and the mating point on the cowl matches it, to = smooth flow. Just a thought... >=20 > Charlie >=20 > Virus-free. www.avast.com >=20 > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 8:04 AM Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com = wrote: > Hi Matt >=20 > I=E2=80=99m finding the wedge wall needs to be more curved inwards = towards the back to reduce the area and air flow in that region. > Pretty much as London describes in his investigation back in 1968. > My copy is too big to send over this channel. >=20 > I=E2=80=99m wondering what people have found as far as the delta T = across their Water Coolers? > I=E2=80=99m seeing between 8-10F between in to out coolant temps with = OAT temps of around 79F. >=20 > Cheers >=20 > Steve >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > > On 20 Nov 2020, at 9:46 pm, Matt Boiteau mattboiteau@gmail.com = wrote: > >=20 > > Ah that's so great to hear that you are at that testing phase. > > I too believe the wedge shape isn't all it's supposed to be. > > What reshape did you end up with ? > >=20 > > - Matt Boiteau > >=20 > >=20 > > On Fri, Nov 20, 2020 at 5:28 AM Stephen Izett = stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi Guys > >=20 > > I thought I should provide an update. > >=20 > > Having installed 5 differential pressure transducers and interfaced = them via spare Dynon EGT inputs, Ive been collecting some H2O diffuser = pressure data. > >=20 > > First tests took pressure readings at 5 points (4 taps, 4 inches in = from the four corners and one in the middle) referenced to the ships = Static system. > > Today I changed those taps to reference the pressure directly across = the core at these same locations. > >=20 > > This has revealed the importance of measuring the pressure across = the radiator as the pressures behind the radiator is not at all equal. > >=20 > > The data has revealed that our wedge diffuser was not equally = distributing the air pressure across the radiator face very well at all. > > Far more air was going through the back area as others have reported = in the past. > >=20 > > So we will reshape the diffuser wall, making it harder for the air = to get to the back and retest. > >=20 > > We have also increased the Oil inlet area from ~9in2 to ~ 14in2 and = this has improved the oil temps. > > On a flight today OAT of 79F on climb out Oil and H2O temps peaked = at 210F. > >=20 > > I=E2=80=99m very happy with the changes and expect to get further = improvements, and will shortly turn our attension to mechanising the = cowl flaps to get temps up and cooling drag down in the cooler air. > >=20 > > Cheers > >=20 > > Steve Izett > > Glasair Super IIRG Renesis 4 port RD1C, EC2, EM3 > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html