X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=PbaBeRpd c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=VTRoezvS/npC8Q0+BDQU1g==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=JZygid9Izu4A:10 a=_RQrkK6FrEwA:10 a=hOpmn2quAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=GBZKE_NBAAAA:8 a=FBZ_J6_mfUm09md_YdkA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=-FEs8UIgK8oA:10 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=1t9UycTn9uDL7xDE5g8A:9 a=nH-psrmpkDQV1sRL:21 a=GyA-uvUxXSCciAkwuKQO:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=kZBJ7nflOVY83HLdyZAa:22 From: "Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com" Received: from mail-lj1-f179.google.com ([209.85.208.179] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 505961 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 08 Jul 2020 13:26:17 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.208.179; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by mail-lj1-f179.google.com with SMTP id h22so48010600lji.9 for ; Wed, 08 Jul 2020 10:26:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=snIh6HDpyZDlb2T1MP02+p8ROGO6Fu+yUhx+gUC+6Mg=; b=nqPaE2yMgpYgXOye0jttFmHu053ZNgmnG5HaI6qGQTGGJr9uCGbf1DK0RfvpWXetzJ PWwTFFW9f9Kr1w4Z0OTDewxNF0HKINAC9n3syU6vuRLYt3ehjN/Psqwt+JZi5eRVsn5d MyuVxLuyeYn57fXoSxaDY1Md2RvtbJssVzvQuNHKwjXLHCB0Pr98aaSaN8rpBbk9+HgA uL78enyIw7mwN3L68hOynEcD8o/s2D3lCy5ONxOIUizaFYF1IGO/oCI4I/RBqKrr7qgE tQOf/gXPGSs+lEF3snFjCc95Q9mRYAdAYE/TOLqcucJiwZinkfKs5CU0m5kSUmTmRb8b pqvw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=snIh6HDpyZDlb2T1MP02+p8ROGO6Fu+yUhx+gUC+6Mg=; b=IKCX6hsR++Z8EagYNEEKie69Q3sxhHyyYU/KhIcxnfeKludqZyeD2OyMMwFfzT4g28 5TS2MekgQG+SCaUA2XKnA5Tgxt8x4jeLIhWNG+1hY7mvUyD5sUM2iQye4KM61x8Sw5GR SfNGHnULrtcGFV5hZ7KyfT4aXeL/IWPMqoGdLUrZhRcdu3DR+T5eYhOOGGK/Se4EE1tF 2NnM1tZWJhs1RwdrYx34yvI0yCgtP5m6BK3orFpuqAoM8KPUxZD4/sClw2DIZ1QzTalE BxdYcvsqavmEdDsfeh82A267prvsy+Zij4nQMpHFHbTTXs7ijLvtMH8SW+akrqsKSVIm SQ5A== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM531ABLBOkNobyGNssj8661MNzVU6y8fSTfqODYdvlNrnvGBoUSDO kV5zhPA5xIMYqUSNBMmSxy49UQ+iUNCXkSxN6AOBhA== X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJzbDsagACHxhHiDF2AkspKTqujrTv+KPGWiFhjPurR41/ec5Tl3EGTE9twjf7rPp3WxIYPCUGKuBZy+0heCanI= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:90d8:: with SMTP id o24mr3349214ljg.278.1594229159017; Wed, 08 Jul 2020 10:25:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 12:23:31 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Aviation Specific 13B/20B Mazda Front Side Housing To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b6bfff05a9f16643" --000000000000b6bfff05a9f16643 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mark and All Interested, Let me clear up the questions about this side plate housing.........First it is only the front hsg (firewall side in a/c)..........All the other cast iron hsgs are available in aluminum from sources such as "Racing Beat" in the US and several other suppliers in Canada , Australia & New Zealand if an all alloy engine is desired.........To answer your question Mark this hsg mimics the last iteration of the "Mistral" engines mount method but hopefully not as complicated or expensive........Remember "Mistral" was building engines to be certified and we are "Experimental"............. Currently the plan is for the hsg to have intake ports like the 13B/20B (or no ports if "P" port is desired).........Plan at present is to use the RX-8 , 2004-2008 Renesis front cover and waterpump.........It has been ascertained that this front cover will fit in the confines of the O/IO 540 Lycoming mount ring by removing the alternator mount boss (on top of the housing) and relocating the alternator..........The oil pump would remain stock.........The early 13B/20B front covers could be used with only different bolt spacing on the various covers but the water pump hsgs of the early 13B/20B are problematic..........Mark Steitle of this group adapted the RX8 water pump to his 20B by cutting the pump hsg from the RX8 cover and bolting to his engine..........The Rx8 cover has provision for a stock crank angle sensor........Hope this answers some of your questions and I will be happy to answer any others that you may have........... On a personal note I think that if there is someone out there with the drive and financial means that a killer "Sport Class" race plane utilizing an all alloy , boosted 20B with a realistic 1000 hp available is possible but it would take dedication and money.........That said for those of us that do not live at that level a more modest RV10 , Glasair or Lancair with up to a 300 hp 20B is doable and more important affordable........IMHO Best, Kelly Troyer On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:40 AM Marcus Wiese cardmarc@charter.net < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > ? The automotive front becomes aircraft rear; Tranny side becomes PSRU, s= o > you are right about the starter location, that is on =E2=80=98rear=E2=80= =99 automotive > housing, my bad. > I=E2=80=99m guessing oil pump, water pump, alt, crank angle pickup (20b u= ses old > style distributor while 13brew TT uses crank angle sensors), other subtle > changes for brackets, etc? A la Mistral mount? > M > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > I think he's talking about the other end. > > Sent from BlueMail > On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:04 AM, "Marcus Wiese cardmarc@charter.net" < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >> >> I would be interested in 2 or 3 of them. What =E2=80=98features=E2=80=99= would it have? >> Would it use the standard AT bolt pattern for the AT reduction starter, >> etc? All 20bs were AT, as were many 13b rew TT and Cosmo engines (which = I >> concentrate on) >> Marc >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jul 8, 2020, at 3:17 AM, Kelly Troyer keltro@gmail.com < >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >> >> =EF=BB=BF >> *I am in contact with a person with the design and manufacturing **capab= ility >> to produce an **Aviation Specific 13B/20B Mazda Front Side** Housing >> machined from 7075-T6* *with mount points that **would allow these >> engines* >> >> >> >> *to be a bolt in to the engine mount ring (30 degree number 1 Dyna) as >> used by the "Vans" RV-10 and other aircraft that use the Lycoming O/IO 5= 40 >> engine..........This side plate is in the preliminary design stage and a= t >> thispoint I am a go between to see if there would be any interest in thi= s >> product if and when it is * >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> *produced...........I personally am interested this side plate........As >> we on this forum know both the 13B / 20B are capable of trulyamazing pow= er >> levels both naturally aspirated and turbo boosted.........The 20B would >> make the Van's RV-10 , Glasair 3 or Lancair's that use the Lycoming O/IO >> 540 an easy 300+ hp almost bolt in engine...........The "Reno" Sport Cla= ss >> "Glasairs" and Lancairs" are producing almost 400 mph speeds using dual >> turbo Lycoming IO-550 engines that are virtual hand grenades pulling ove= r >> 700 hp...........There are turbo 20B's pulling1200 hp out in the auto >> racing world with good reliability..........A 20B boosted to 700+ hp is = not >> even breathing hard.........IMHOWould like to hear what interest there m= ay >> be in this product if and when it may be produced............Or any >> comments pro or con..............* >> >> -- >> Kelly Troyer >> >> --000000000000b6bfff05a9f16643 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Mark and All Interested,

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Let me clear up the questions about th= is side plate housing.........First it is only the front hsg (firewall side= in a/c)..........All the other cast iron hsgs are available in aluminum fr= om sources such as "Racing Beat"
in the US and several = other suppliers in Canada , Australia & New Zealand if an all alloy eng= ine is desired.........To answer your question Mark this hsg mimics the las= t iteration of the "Mistral" engines mount method
but h= opefully not as complicated or expensive........Remember "Mistral"= ; was building engines to be certified and we are "Experimental".= ............

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Cur= rently=C2=A0the plan is for the hsg to have intake ports like the 13B/20B (= or no ports if "P" port is desired).........Plan at present is to= use the RX-8 , 2004-2008 Renesis front cover and waterpump.........It has = been=C2=A0
ascertained that this front cover will fit in the conf= ines of the O/IO 540 Lycoming mount ring by removing the alternator mount b= oss (on top of the housing) and relocating the alternator..........The oil = pump would remain=C2=A0
stock.........The early 13B/20B front cov= ers could be used with only different=C2=A0bolt spacing on the various cove= rs but the water pump=C2=A0hsgs of the early 13B/20B are problematic.......= ...Mark Steitle of this group adapted the
RX8 water pump=C2=A0to = his 20B by cutting the pump hsg from=C2=A0the RX8 cover and bolting to his = engine..........The Rx8 cover has provision for a stock crank angle sensor.= .......Hope this answers some of your questions and
I will be hap= py to answer any others that you may have...........

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0On a personal note I think that if there is s= omeone out there with the drive and financial=C2=A0means that a killer &quo= t;Sport Class" race plane utilizing an all alloy , boosted 20B with a = realistic 1000 hp available is possible
but it would take dedicat= ion and money.........That said for those of us that do not live at that le= vel a more modest RV10 , Glasair or Lancair with up to a 300 hp 20B is doab= le and more important affordable........IMHO

Best,=
Kelly Troyer=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 10:= 40 AM Marcus Wiese cardmarc@charter= .net <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net> wrote:
? The automotive front becomes aircraft rear;= Tranny side becomes PSRU, so you are right about the starter location, tha= t is on =E2=80=98rear=E2=80=99 automotive housing, my bad.=C2=A0
I=E2= =80=99m guessing oil pump, water pump, alt, crank angle pickup (20b uses ol= d style distributor while 13brew TT uses crank angle sensors), other subtle= changes for brackets, etc? A la Mistral mount?
M

<= div dir=3D"ltr">Sent from my iPad

On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancair= online.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
I think he's talking abo= ut the other end.

Sent from BlueMail
On Jul 8, 2020, at 10:04 AM, "Marcus Wiese = cardmarc@charter.= net" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I would be interested in 2 or 3 of them. What =E2=80=98features=E2=80=99 wo= uld it have? Would it use the standard AT bolt pattern for the AT reduction= starter, etc? All 20bs were AT, as were many 13b rew TT and Cosmo engines = (which I concentrate on)
Marc

Sent from my iPad=

On Jul 8, 2020, at 3:1= 7 AM, Kelly Troyer ke= ltro@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF
I am in contact with a person with th= e design and manufacturing=C2=A0= capability to produce an=C2=A0Aviation Specific 13B/20B Mazda Front Side=C2=A0Housing machined from 7075-T6=C2=A0= with mount points that=C2=A0would allow = these engines

to be a bolt in to the engine moun= t ring (30 degree number 1 Dyna) as used by the "Vans" RV-10 and = other aircraft that use the Lycoming O/IO 540 engine..........This side pla= te is in the preliminary design stage and at this

point I am a go be= tween to see if there would be any interest in this product if and when it = is=C2=A0produced...........I pe= rsonally am interested this side plate........As we on this forum know both= the 13B / 20B are capable of truly

amazing power levels both natura= lly aspirated and turbo boosted.........The 20B would make the Van's RV= -10 , Glasair 3 or Lancair's that use the Lycoming O/IO 540 an easy 300= + hp almost bolt in engine...........

The "Reno" Sport Cla= ss "Glasairs" and Lancairs" are producing almost 400 mph spe= eds using dual turbo Lycoming IO-550 engines that are virtual hand grenades= pulling over 700 hp...........There are turbo 20B's pulling

120= 0 hp out in the auto racing world with good reliability..........A 20B boos= ted to 700+ hp is not even breathing hard.........IMHO

Would like to= hear what interest there may be in this product if and when it may be prod= uced............Or any comments pro or con..............= =C2=A0=C2=A0

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Kelly = Troyer

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