X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RZTu9Glv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=/A7wSTOFXNEXWyNq5ILclA==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=Fee85h93u3AA:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=-yp-5bnZGfgA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=pedpZTtsAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=31loe0FAAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=GAcTa2pbQJWXgSs9Q8EA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=aPWa9ij_BYhQeMNsh-4A:9 a=IXN1bhMpMzTjyUGi:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=EA_oED63Isst-uzJqiZM:22 a=aFqSXWmxS54rJoGia3qo:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=nt3jZW36AmriUCFCBwmW:22 From: "lehanover lehanover@aol.com" Received: from sonic306-3.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.132.42] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 422776 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:45:23 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.6.132.42; envelope-from=lehanover@aol.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1593207907; bh=fpgk2cf+tfJODUBtOuDLWIoasurjtE33j87xzbqPHAY=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=omLC3JOq32GvGwOuhjBx1M8iTigq7hHtvxX6bJw1U81a9KAQCvcWbsHr/dPhb8euNhVJM5jnCapTVFzrTjwXozlZHhD5z/zoGrwPpkR96g4u/SppbszOQPm0BW8+OZOTjRfb7Y0gi4rIqRnRQVEauOb+pb7+hUgDMhdQovqLN9KDLd44CO90xnevIv5/lAZcf+UqXprjznaFMmHoF6cJsIesFnzOLhTo97XZUMxFQZDD+HFnI3xcozd2e9RCB0+RkzEwLLWW5JQAB2mEtglkOmB1VIkMn08OTnNyC5K2J8AUQmrJdnKjmDEuX7ISLtfK7TCfyL0TGtyhtRmD+ERYOA== X-YMail-OSG: fTh6sN0VM1lyIMFLgGXUQMLW71u2dsFfG6TH05CBkVTmlZ5Wf3x34irTTGclv8I FOnPjs6agHXXogBJYpa9JpyUbAtn38w5OJ2QTK73GSswzxBk57XXoBhT85kI_tg.ThcDjKQUR_4k 8f.fwk52s5.PZNH1MGDXVN9.Jxxmt1FqOw1R8KmJwEc8KG8Am7Udxt8ZVvzmIET5OWQyOz6.Rh5y N7XkAVsuxox8cM4GPTRX5ed70D00erhv7B16zvxpJFNxu2jZKkocmnIEL4R_qC9DVldXXaZOjzbt XRIafsKrU6KifnlP5e9GcaFFbJMtKj97AXZ05laoyIJCRoFYXx3mY2ZmdbeIY_icvOB.Khj0tjT3 32.PHZyo6hKef1gULhGZRnbJT0jJOvaDvQ2DIPapmYVBCxkP8AzrWKbZLus163qIDZ1kxqmdpe3t 5iE.lp90BwryazY_LUNCJrgcKnU9xFTph18G3kRCeh_tApp38dKKX71KB9qLWeCRU6NJxnA1DmRn Luhr.PB0Wiz.o4KWgr6S4Epysx.IRSYiIvQxne_K2WhBB_m3s6BSyNUsKJG27repEoZFVi67bspT 0MFNzePta4sEGFVF7GGes8tHoYxbHLs6Z.yx3ZM1D_zaLp5vKss14Pf_jgkumMC.IrG0OX6HqoIY StU4IeAPByoBSxoip.p_4zZ1h3IDGC6mPYER0KGas4SiS4GckxB3strBpb85_vQ.aKwrPGWCETMI 4RWEbPouNT2qZKhK7ehNPgWi1QyOgJVxhV.Fev0jFTNxAPG7MGHXi6kXKYzZcoGbQpFZ_HT.rJN9 NwVgybfsje7pVHRpRWTi_uuIpO5gGYZi7f1nVhl.ICvz.8xKFYfwFHRx8xScnS2zkQ8U0CL5WAAR n7RJ0s8oLUcPO3nB_TInwQF2Cot0ggMTHvVp_u6aWEAVgRztgRLQPzQZpWpymvnpMJ865vo0ysgt CQqV360Vt1Wnmh3MfOf6ZFm3Ow5jqdrcY2yew01OW1p0Jj.HqOW8yHoLr9hFZZXqTkKHWb3H89.h 0urw7lT_XG4AL1viByj21yoEwl8lNBkluOIdn1K8pM9H3prLjCdRRgPe9i3k_4YNkmiAveJqawZA K271qiC1BZ7vQtByO55.T35GcRJbZMKkOoZjWSYg0eOPiYbQFi4D_78UqcbmFEXl9tHFa2vDp4w3 BnneMPgk5oZQjFjOKOrpT.VvZDc6XvPCGEMmcYvDClINgpAMyuHov_MLLF6sntXF5lBBJqO8Q68R k8MC4TTntgsu.Fw_RTqVnbhyDbd6_RTYPWpsuEhLccB1ZlwxwAvdKZGkzg_gCID_4TnUAp_TqfQF QVBDq7tZ.9eTA4IMEsP_Kr1Fo58KgVhhvKH9fY_xH.lWkT.KxEd7W7PCLj07RRZgyffhpf9CDjXX 9cASV3T7nBhPx0Q04XwB5hQeH3OU- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic306.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Fri, 26 Jun 2020 21:45:07 +0000 Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 21:45:04 +0000 (UTC) To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message-ID: <1928788975.3085376.1593207904308@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: rotary trivia MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_3085375_1588375740.1593207904306" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16138 aolloki Apache-HttpClient/4.5.7 (Java/1.8.0_252) Content-Length: 7599 ------=_Part_3085375_1588375740.1593207904306 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The shape you see today, Wankel copied from patent drawings. His idea was t= o build a housing around that shape and have it spin inside for a totally b= alanced rotary motion. Two were built like that by NSU. very small sized fo= r Mopeds. NSU tried to patent the engine and found that a fellow named Bern= ard Maillard held the patent as a brake air compressor for trucks. Maillard= =C2=A0 worked for truck builder Adolph Saurer.=C2=A0 The patent was gifted = to NSU/Wankel so long as it was not produced as a compressor. Wankel was a = cheat. Among other things.=C2=A0 NSU came up with the engine as you know it= .=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0And now you know..................LEH In a message dated 6/26/2020 5:02:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net writes: Thanks, Bob; any idea whether he's still flying it? That's not the name I r= ecall, but I'm not surprised that there's more than one gyro guy using the rotary. The guy I'm thinking about had, IIRC, over 1500 hrs on h= is, and it might have been a 12A instead of a 13B. Charlie On 6/26/2020 3:42 PM, Robert bobperk90658 bobperk90658@bellsouth.net wrote:= > A fellow in Flagler Beach FL, Bill Ortmayer use to do training in a Parso= ns gyro that had a 13b on it> Bob>> Sent from my iPhone>>> On Jun 26, 2020,= at 1:07 PM, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com wrote:>>>> While while wandering the interwebs trying to find the name= of the guy who's been flying a rotary on a gyro for several decades, I stu= mbled upon this site; thought some of us might be interested in the aviatio= n history of the Wankel that's discussed. A quick scan didn't reveal anythi= ng 'new', but there is a lot of stuff I haven't seen compiled in one locati= on before. (And the inevitable handful of errors, of course...)>>>> http://= www.buildagyrocopter.com/aircraft-wankel-power-rotary-engines/>>>> Charlie>= >>> -- >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus softwa= re.>> https://www.avast.com/antivirus>>>>>> -->> Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www= .flyrotary.com/>> Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81= /lists/flyrotary/List.html>> --> Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/>= Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/= List.html --Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 http://= mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html ------=_Part_3085375_1588375740.1593207904306 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
The shape you see today, Wankel copied from patent drawings. His idea was to build a housing around that shape and have it spin inside for a totally balanced rotary motion. Two were built like that by NSU. very small sized for Mopeds. NSU tried to patent the engine and found that a fellow named Bernard Maillard held the patent as a brake air compressor for trucks. Maillard  worked for truck builder Adolph Saurer.  The patent was gifted to NSU/Wankel so long as it was not produced as a compressor. Wankel was a cheat. Among other things.  NSU came up with the engine as you know it.     And now you know..................LEH

In a message dated 6/26/2020 5:02:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

Thanks, Bob; any idea whether he's still flying it? That's not the name
I recall, but I'm not surprised that there's more than one gyro guy
using the rotary. The guy I'm thinking about had, IIRC, over 1500 hrs on
his, and it might have been a 12A instead of a 13B.

Charlie

On 6/26/2020 3:42 PM, Robert bobperk90658 bobperk90658@bellsouth.net wrote:
> A fellow in Flagler Beach FL, Bill Ortmayer use to do training in a Parsons gyro that had a 13b on it
> Bob
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> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jun 26, 2020, at 1:07 PM, Charlie England ceengland7@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>
>> While while wandering the interwebs trying to find the name of the guy who's been flying a rotary on a gyro for several decades, I stumbled upon this site; thought some of us might be interested in the aviation history of the Wankel that's discussed. A quick scan didn't reveal anything 'new', but there is a lot of stuff I haven't seen compiled in one location before. (And the inevitable handful of errors, of course...)
>>
>>
>> Charlie
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