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Sorry, Vcc3 is J2 pin 2.

Finn

On 6/22/2020 9:22 PM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote:
> Just for the record.
>
> The 1K resistor and the two 2.7V zener diodes are the CAS input 
> clamping circuit.
>
> The rest is for redundant +5V to control panel (mixture voltage being 
> the critical one).
> Vcc3 is J2 pin1 (+5V to control panel).
> I just used BAX16 diodes because I had them. Any 100mA (16V reverse 
> voltage or more) diode will do.
> LM78L05 flat side down. Left pin is output. Center pin is ground and 
> right pin is input.
>
>
> If you want to secure components against vibration make sure you use 
> Natural Cure Sealant (non -acidic)!
> I'm using Dowsil 737 RTV sealant.
> The auto parts store RTV is acidic and you don't want your circuit 
> board damaged (etched) by that.
>
> Finn
>
> On 6/17/2020 6:57 PM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote:
>> In addition to the CAS input clamping circuit, Tracy also recommends 
>> shorting pins 1 and 3 of D18. The voltage drop across the diode to 
>> the PCM module causes slightly lower mixture and program voltage than 
>> the software was programmed for.
>>
>> However, if you are powering A and B controllers separately (e.g. 
>> separate fuses or busses), I have a better idea.
>> 1) Remove the D18 diodes (just below C45 which they feed).
>> 2) Add a LM78L05 (or similar) voltage regulator. After each (A and B) 
>> of the power (L1 and L2) input coils (+ on the big C20 and C21 
>> capacitors) feed the input of the LM78L05 with a diode. Output of it 
>> goes to J2 pin 2 (or + on C45).
>>
>> Same principle as powering the PCM from either of the 5V regulators 
>> on the EC3 board, but the 0.7V diode drop now happens before the 
>> regulator, not after the 5V.
>>
>> CAS input clamping circuit:
>> 1) A 1K resistor between J2-5 and J2-15 (CAS input and ground).
>> 2) Two 2.7V zener diodes in series, arrows or striped ends (anodes) 
>> connected together. The non-striped ends (cathodes) to J2-5 and J2-15 
>> respectively (CAS input and ground). (Basically in parallel with the 
>> 1K resistor). If you got the polarity of the zener diodes correct you 
>> should see the signal from the CAS sensor clamped to no more than 0.7 
>> + 2.7 = +-3.4 volts on an oscilloscope.
>>
>> I now have two bad chips (does not respond to reading or programming 
>> attempts -- do "work" in the EC3). The chip pins used to program the 
>> chip go to the Mode switch on the PCM. J2 pins 22 and 24. One might 
>> consider protection diodes for those pins. Oddly the pins continue 
>> working for Mode switch input, just not for re-programming the chip.
>>
>> The EC3 board was designed for in-circuit chip re-programming (set 
>> mode switch to zero or disconnect J2). Vpp/MasterClear are on J2 pin 
>> 11 (for A) and pin 1 (for B). PGC on pin 22 and PGD on pin 24. 
>> However, Tracy found that the combined capacitance of the programming 
>> pins of two chips made in circuit programming unreliable. I wonder if 
>> it might work if one could control the speed with which it 
>> communicates with the chip?
>>
>> Finn
>>
>>
>> -- 
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Sorry, Vcc3 is J2 pin 2.<br>
      <br>
      Finn<br>
      <br>
      On 6/22/2020 9:22 PM, Finn Lassen <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:finn.lassen@verizon.net">finn.lassen@verizon.net</a> wrote:<br>
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      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Just for the record.<br>
        <br>
        The 1K resistor and the two 2.7V zener diodes are the CAS input
        clamping circuit.<br>
        <br>
        The rest is for redundant +5V to control panel (mixture voltage
        being the critical one).<br>
        Vcc3 is J2 pin1 (+5V to control panel).<br>
        I just used BAX16 diodes because I had them. Any 100mA (16V
        reverse voltage or more) diode will do.<br>
        LM78L05 flat side down. Left pin is output. Center pin is ground
        and right pin is input.<br>
        <br>
        <br>
        If you want to secure components against vibration make sure you
        use Natural Cure Sealant (non -acidic)!<br>
        I'm using Dowsil 737 RTV sealant.<br>
        The auto parts store RTV is acidic and you don't want your
        circuit board damaged (etched) by that.<br>
        <br>
        Finn<br>
        <br>
        On 6/17/2020 6:57 PM, Finn Lassen <a
          class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated"
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      <blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:list-383057@logan.com">In
        addition to the CAS input clamping circuit, Tracy also
        recommends shorting pins 1 and 3 of D18. The voltage drop across
        the diode to the PCM module causes slightly lower mixture and
        program voltage than the software was programmed for. <br>
        <br>
        However, if you are powering A and B controllers separately
        (e.g. separate fuses or busses), I have a better idea. <br>
        1) Remove the D18 diodes (just below C45 which they feed). <br>
        2) Add a LM78L05 (or similar) voltage regulator. After each (A
        and B) of the power (L1 and L2) input coils (+ on the big C20
        and C21 capacitors) feed the input of the LM78L05 with a diode.
        Output of it goes to J2 pin 2 (or + on C45). <br>
        <br>
        Same principle as powering the PCM from either of the 5V
        regulators on the EC3 board, but the 0.7V diode drop now happens
        before the regulator, not after the 5V. <br>
        <br>
        CAS input clamping circuit: <br>
        1) A 1K resistor between J2-5 and J2-15 (CAS input and ground).
        <br>
        2) Two 2.7V zener diodes in series, arrows or striped ends
        (anodes) connected together. The non-striped ends (cathodes) to
        J2-5 and J2-15 respectively (CAS input and ground). (Basically
        in parallel with the 1K resistor). If you got the polarity of
        the zener diodes correct you should see the signal from the CAS
        sensor clamped to no more than 0.7 + 2.7 = +-3.4 volts on an
        oscilloscope. <br>
        <br>
        I now have two bad chips (does not respond to reading or
        programming attempts -- do "work" in the EC3). The chip pins
        used to program the chip go to the Mode switch on the PCM. J2
        pins 22 and 24. One might consider protection diodes for those
        pins. Oddly the pins continue working for Mode switch input,
        just not for re-programming the chip. <br>
        <br>
        The EC3 board was designed for in-circuit chip re-programming
        (set mode switch to zero or disconnect J2). Vpp/MasterClear are
        on J2 pin 11 (for A) and pin 1 (for B). PGC on pin 22 and PGD on
        pin 24. However, Tracy found that the combined capacitance of
        the programming pins of two chips made in circuit programming
        unreliable. I wonder if it might work if one could control the
        speed with which it communicates with the chip? <br>
        <br>
        Finn <br>
        <br>
        <br>
        -- <br>
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