X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RZTu9Glv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=OFiJRGuemyLD8L/xOa960Q==:117 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=XYpRal2UOYkA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=_6GpL_ENAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=UKPAHat8AAAA:8 a=vKIbezlLAAAA:20 a=sWNNLZXFSMj5PlAgwlIA:9 a=Ub_hdqvjLQ5VSUfK:21 a=TwT3zesHbiBYLSnW:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=jThZ7_-JAAAA:8 a=pJoDV9qh1cVR-yp985oA:9 a=kMKhSt9FF4LWhon7:21 a=DFQxbtJCm4Dzo7_N:21 a=XLVTwdSNb2kmtE8e:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=5YQ6H4ZxyGn-KoBYtt8s:22 a=Fc6xXSS-RxGHxrvp76Qp:22 a=NVbvhy2gKIdozzgvQOKv:22 From: "Ernest Christley echristley@att.net" Received: from sonic311-27.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([98.137.65.208] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 400231 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 16:57:56 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=98.137.65.208; envelope-from=echristley@att.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1592773059; bh=w36b+eEzUWhY6fxEH1fJKAbbrujEtnolUG/cqmOnNeY=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=qjoxs+B3XJBhIQQKnknE1ZHGjowUGLGJ0h3ATi6QytiEE+hcCO0FT9eAJfYlOwee8fURXp9C2tU+p452/6+X8vlBOhNdyfwgKK1DGMTDks1lqGVA1aPU+eg3J2RqOCOcO7EhidBpfULiAhutyPLaWXiVpD0i/h4syQR8L5xN5gY= X-YMail-OSG: PLMiBZAVM1nPcUbTKJZ9XVz7z44qZga2EOlI8UR5Um.bat6cth59V0fQ8.NODvX W7XdNdZiBUD5SlHSEX5nKq3J7n3h1NCEeynSsscJ1UbVcETU2uMee7K4s6O5Nd0xDtHG2zVPcYb_ 6.vaKaaQqhVgIvWojMf_xBpYgPvSuOEVua9SLpswEwzA1msaTQMCmsV9SA6ro8D0k9hnFfw7IjOs wKCO9JCC2eEtZCbi9dcG5M9.WZ5zSXaHiSgoWX05a88cPhDmLNoKiwSakRBREufvn1JJDzy8TYSp I96.Hv4QI6i.o1C6IuLhRN_wLikcqjUp_9mXZ.sB_3XFBfCPWTE1aNue2fuBjBzkQyy2beYphHLK 7Pj9iAnQrQtrNcFyjxx.TuQBdp2g9y3gG96qJ0pRkZ5_sQyVm.cjRwIcD952MRyn.IqFglmgNIAf bgQU2._hJQji3e6SLKZcA5aL1TPVKnURI6C5btnjVMVdopeHOSbT2q1Yri_Gd886xK6xhBfqKs2Y RAgkyrlKan47rkPxejnxaFEdycPErpiPLEwWpamJmc0s2yo7cJ7cvQktkkeHZtLUs9XIP.0QUEOc cEi6O.pp8JDMr97_iNQDms6V167GU21LvGXUaJoiNDkyChkdc69ONxkGs4b32n_kT2ZUzLtn5FsA TAGYcnRYIPMjpalvtiFwkb9NsUd.JkEScT7GwiqeXtsi5flwW1m.2_UsUf9b.KPC97QZm20zJS6R gsuDST7iHf1u3V6_uYd7YopShcXI02G8SRJgnwH8SxjYOVSxdyjrE3BLw_yZIYyEWxCfaaKO5H4y 0DA6itWZcFc2CHF78qUpILVxyZx0LTEi2e9k1943YqlZhwT.dddQhd_ZTIdvBZ16aK8A4lHoPACa USu_GqAwCIIYUJ1UmWYtalVirjhdythod7ZTqdv_nHXgEFBu3Jo9AfTqBfvv7hoTXLjxBPHCTOf8 BX0YPCzepXrG.tT5.NbBvou3eLl1cqd6I9Ccd7Qvb_nCmPwZ1Kqt8SIW3mZAiWc5MN7jHDm3rjoC pjmJq2_UPYVRtnpE8wx.S2EHcRXxM0M3jgwVvsizaaciTI9kO_fyr5VUmPDlfxw6YMki.pdXVfwn 4mEuWXB1LXQbFwf4vEq8OiEx.wTLSrwDqXI7J78a7v.Lx2Ky_7EuUs6w.uUzYDbxi6HeVoouXIsb qGPocFeRPXU0EMpyYAWaZKxg6DQ6Tm0Pg5rrd5nLChP8qCQ.BXWDbGskNqMHnu2q6zingM9_qSbT 3Q4Iph_PSFGfB4wZHrdqfPQXDCU3pdx8RIPQU1e16aXfFRblU3Oo.x34PoMM- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic311.consmr.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 21 Jun 2020 20:57:39 +0000 Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 20:57:37 +0000 (UTC) To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: <1888840994.1234181.1592773057441@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: SpeedUino MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1234180_1702562445.1592773057436" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16138 YMailNorrin Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Ubuntu; Linux x86_64; rv:77.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/77.0 Content-Length: 44087 ------=_Part_1234180_1702562445.1592773057436 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =20 It is incredibly easy to make the mixture knob go away, but still have the = control. Put a potentiometer on the throttle handle, not the throttle plate.=C2=A0 C= onfigure the control so that by the first half of the handle travel, the in= take is completely open.=C2=A0 For this first half of the travel, program t= he mixture to be a lean as possible, but still run smoothly.=C2=A0 The seco= nd half of the travel is really just richening the mixture.=C2=A0 Going up = to way to rich by the time the handle is at 100%. All of the magic happens in the mixture tables, and it is VERY easy to set = up. On Sunday, June 21, 2020, 9:11:09 AM EDT, Charlie England ceengland7@gm= ail.com wrote: =20 =20 Any reason (other than the need to run 'closed loop' all the time) to not = use a bias voltage added/subtracted from the O2 sensor output, to control m= ixture? Charlie | | Virus-free. www.avast.com | On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 7:57 AM Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: Cool. So it can be done. =20 To get full redundancy like in the EC3, you'll need relays to switch betwe= en board outputs. The EC3 uses an OMRON MY4-02-DC12 12V relay to switch between the injector= outputs. Omron G6K-2F-DC12 12V relays to switch between the ignition coil = outputs. One side of the relay coils go to the Controller B +12V input, the other s= ide to the A/B switch. Grounding the relays with the A/B switch switches to= controller B outputs. I guess one could fit two SpeedUino boards and the relay board into one bo= x, or have two or=C2=A0 three boxes. =20 Finn =20 On 6/18/2020 11:10 PM, Steven W. Boese SBoese@uwyo.edu wrote: =20 I have a SpeedUino running a 13B test engine.=C2=A0 That system is already= set up with a throttle body position input which is not used in the recent= version I have.=C2=A0 A few code changes allows a potentiometer to be used= through that input for manual mixture control.=C2=A0 I also found it not p= articularly difficult to come up with a dual wheel CAS file to be used with= the Ardustim signal generator to simulate the 13B CAS for testing. =20 Steve Boese=20 On Jun 18, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: =20 =20 =20 =E2=97=86 This message was sent from a non-UWYO address. Please exercise ca= ution when clicking links or opening attachments from external sources. =20 Actually Tracy now recommends the SpeedUino boards and using TunerStudio = (there is a free version) as the modern solution. Yes, you'll have to do a bit of work if you want redundancy and manual mix= ture control. I see them on eBay for about $150 each. Add relays to switch between the o= utputs of the boards for redundancy. A bit of cooperative work on the open source SpeedUino code and you could = have manual mixture control, if not already done by now. So it doesn't really doesn't have to be all that expensive. Maybe $400 for= the hardware. Naturally, if you want an of-the-shelf solution and expect h= and holding and support, you most likely have to pay for it. =20 So why did I chose a RWS EC3 for the RV-4 I'm building in spite of Tracy's= recommendation? The RV-3B I bought and have been flying has RWS EC2 and EM2, so I'm famili= ar with the operation of it. And I guess I was too lazy to get into SpeedUino and learn that. Just seem= ed easier to install an EC3 and go fly. Would have worked too, if I hadn't = listened to the warnings about using the stock Renesis ignition coils and g= one and bought LS2 coils (D585). Also in the back of my mind was the track = record of Tracy's controllers. I never really had a problem with them. In m= y mind they were reliable and proven. I guess one tends towards what one is= familiar with. I should say that I still kind of enjoy tinkering with soft= ware and hardware. There is a certain satisfaction in overcoming obstacles = and making things work, although it can be very time consuming. =20 I think we can draw a parallel to the mindset it takes to make your engine= installation from scratch and just install a Lycoming.=20 =20 So, with the data I now have, I think I would recommend what Tracy recomme= nds for any new installations and only get spares for working EC2/3 install= ations. If I understand it right, there is wide support for SpeedUino out t= here. =20 Finn =20 =20 On 6/18/2020 6:06 PM, 12348ung@gmail.com wrote: =20 =20 Re Tracy ECM. =20 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 I note all the grief that is going back and forward and = sympathise with you all.=C2=A0 I had trouble with mine way back, sent it ba= ck to Tracy and it took 3 months before I saw it again.=C2=A0 Decided then = that this was not a good way to go as Tracy was semi retired then already.= =C2=A0 Tracy to me was absolutely brilliant in what he did, but that was 40= years ago??=C2=A0 So I bought a fueltech unit which is current technology = but very dear compared to Tracy=E2=80=99s ECM.=C2=A0 I have not regretted t= his purchase.=C2=A0 The engine log can be emailed for support and within 24= hours you are fixed up.=C2=A0 Then I am totally computer illiterate, so un= able to fix anything like that myself, so I pay as usual.=C2=A0=20 =20 Neil. =20 =C2=A0 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft =20 Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 2:10 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 software for Renesis RX-8/LS2 coils fixed and= uploaded =20 =C2=A0 =20 Hi Bobby, =20 Actually Tracy does have a few new EC3 boards. I didn't ask how many. =20 The hot question really is how big is the demand (quantity)? =20 I probably have enough data from him (schematics, parts lists, PCB layout)= to get a production run done. =20 Tracy is serious about having retired. I was really, really lucky to get h= is help. =20 I think a big reason for his decision to retire is to have time to enjoy l= ife. I think the majority of his time before his retirement was spent on su= pport (phone, emails). =20 He really has no economic incentive to come out of retirement. =20 So while we could get a production run done, I doubt anyone would be willi= ng to spend time on support -- certainly not for new installations. Also th= e variety of engines, accessories and specialized programming for some inst= allations would make it a nightmare to program the chips. Solution for that= would probably be to read the working chips for your installation and then= program the new chips with that, but then some would not get the latest fe= atures (closed loop, auto program using EC3 w/o EM). =20 I thought I might take it on, but having second thoughts :) =20 Will probably be a few days before I'm ready to roll the fuselage out of t= he hangar and do engine runs. =20 Finn =20 On 6/18/2020 10:18 AM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net wrote: =20 =20 Thanks Finn. I downloaded the files and notes. Once you are confident the h= ardware and software works properly we might consider a onetime production = run of EC3=E2=80=99s for existing EC2/3 owners. I would like to have a test= ed spare available. It would likely take Tracy=E2=80=99s involvement to fac= ilitate the board build or at least provided the suppler information and pr= oper Rev number.=20 =20 =C2=A0 =20 I really appreciate the work you, Steve Izett and Steve B. are doing.=20 =20 =C2=A0 =20 Bobby =20 =C2=A0 =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:11 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] EC3 software for Renesis RX-8/LS2 coils fixed and upl= oaded =20 =C2=A0 =20 Here it is: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mVzPOxUwcGUlPizxnRF40nUyKBzfT4DC?u= sp=3Dsharing It's EC3closedloop.zip. =20 You may want to grab it now in case Google decides to close my account :) =20 You can program the 18F452 chips directly using the EC3CL8.HEX file, or op= en EC3ClosedLoop.mcp in MPLAB IDE, compile and program. This is for RX-8 (E= C3 engine type A8), LS2 coils (D585), large secondary injectors, default is= wide band O2 sensor. =20 Turns out Tracy has never programmed or delivered an EC3 for Renesis with = LS2 coils. Software was missing code to load LS2 coils dwell time. =20 I added Steve's code for configuration bits so don't have to remember what= to set them to when programming. I set all protection bits to zero to avoid any chip reprogramming troubles= , but you could change to: =20 =20 =20 ; CONFIG6L =C2=A0 CONFIG=C2=A0 WRT0 =3D ON=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ; Write Protection bit (Block 0 = (000200-001FFFh) write protected)=20 Finn =20 ENG=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0xA8=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;PUT ENGINE TYPE CODE HERE AND CHEC= K **** ALL **** FLAGS BELOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!=C2=A0=20 =20 N109TC=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU 0x00=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;N1= 09TC USES A DIFFERENT assignment of coil drivers=C2=A0 CLEAR for ALL except= N109TC !!!!! and KERMIT unit=C2=A0=C2=A0 20B controllers =20 DIAG=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU 0x00=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;DIAG =3D=3D1 ALLOWS DIAGNOSTIC USE OF 02H&L =20 ;=C2=A0 *****************=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 CHECK ALL FLAGS BEFORE P= ROGRAM MING CHIPS=C2=A0 !!!!!=C2=A0=C2=A0 *********************************= ***************** =20 ;=C2=A0=C2=A0 ***************=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 DWELL TIME FLAGS=C2=A0=C2= =A0 *SET ONLY ONE*=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 **************************= ********************* =20 RX8COIL=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;1=3D 2.6MS DWELL TIME=C2=A0 (RX-8 COIL) RX7COIL=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU 0x00=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;1=3D 3.5MS DWELL TIME USED=C2=A0=C2=A0 (also used for A= 7 2007 option)=20 LS1COIL=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;1=3D 4.3 MS DWELL USED=20 HONDACOIL=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU 0x00=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = ;1=3D 1.7 MS DWELL=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = (A REALLY TINY COIL) LS2COIL=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x01=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;1=3D 4.0 MS DWELL=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =20 =C2=A0=20 TURBO=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;0 =3D NA, 1 =3D TURBO VERSION =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 (BIT 0 SET IN ECINFO IF TRUE) BFACTOR=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 D'20'= =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;BOOST RETARD FOR IGNITION TIMING=C2= =A0 lower value =3D more boost retard (25 IS USED FOR MOST ROTARY 20 on 03-= 05-09, LGSEC=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x01=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;0 =3D PRI & SEC INJECTORS SAME SIZE=C2= =A0 1 =3D LARGER SECONDARY INJECTORS (RENESIS 4 port) WIDEBAND=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU 0x01=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;= 0 =3D NARROWBAND O2 SENSOR IN USE, 1 =3D WIDEBAND SENSOR IN USE. TEMPSENSOR=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;0 =3D THERMISTOR, 1 =3D LM34 MAPSENSOR=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;0 =3D MPX4250 SENSOR, 1 =3D MPX4115 (EARLIER VERSION OF= EC2 ONLY) BUSENSOR=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;0 =3D NO BACKUP SENSOR, 1 =3D BACKUP INSTALLED (0xA8,0x= A9,AB,AD,B1,B2,B4 0-200 ENGINE ONLY) BREW=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;0 =3D SET TO 1 FOR 3RD GEN 13BREW ENGINES = :=C2=A0 COMPENSATES FOR 5 DEG EARLIER 3RD GEN TIMING OF CAS ONEINJ=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;0 =3D NORMAL 2 INJECTOR PER ROTOR=C2=A0= 1 =3D 1 INJ PER ROTOR=C2=A0 (NOT RECOMMENDED) CONT=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;0 =3D NORMAL 0xA9 ENGINE, 1 =3D CONTINENTA= L/Lyc VARIENT (also sets bu at 18 geg before primary) EMT=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;0 =3D A9 W/ TRIG @ 6 D= EG ATDC=C2=A0=C2=A0 1 =3D TDC @ TOOTH 11 (ELECTROMOTIVE TIMING SPEC) also s= ets BU at 180 deg A72007=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;0 =3D PRE 2005 SUBE EJ25=C2=A0=C2=A0 1 = =3D 2005 OR LATER EJ25 W/ RX-8 TYPE CAS=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2= =A0=C2=A0=20 WTF=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU 0x00=C2=A0=C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;0 =3D normal version=C2=A0 1 =3D BRAT=C2=A0 - AK= A - WhatTheFuck project version with transmission control functions=C2=A0= =C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0=20 =20 TBINJ=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2= =A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;1=3D THROTTLE BODY INJECTION FLAG=20 LS2_60_2=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 EQU=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 0x00=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 = =C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0 ;1=3D LS2 ENGINE EQUIPPED W/60-2 TOOTH TRIGGER WHEEL=C2= =A0 (USE ENG CODE 0xAB) =20 =C2=A0 =20 Disclaimer =20 The information contained in this communication from the sender is confiden= tial. 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It is incredi= bly easy to make the mixture knob go away, but still have the control.

Put a potentiometer on the throttle handle, not the throttle = plate.  Configure the control so that by the first half of the handle = travel, the intake is completely open.  For this first half of the tra= vel, program the mixture to be a lean as possible, but still run smoothly.&= nbsp; The second half of the travel is really just richening the mixture.&n= bsp; Going up to way to rich by the time the handle is at 100%.

All of the magic happens in the mixture tables, and it is VERY easy = to set up.

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Any reason (othe= r than the need to run 'closed loop' all the time) to not use a bias voltag= e added/subtracted from the O2 sensor output, to control mixture?

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Cool. So it can be done.

To get full redundancy like in the EC3, you'll need relays to switch between board outputs.
The EC3 uses an OMRON MY4-02-DC12 12V relay to switch between the injector outputs. Omron G6K-2F-DC12 12V relays to switch between the ignition coil outputs.
One side of the relay coils go to the Controller B +12V input, the other side to the A/B switch. Grounding the relays with the A/B switch switches to controller B outputs.
I guess one could fit two SpeedUino boards and the relay board into one box, or have two or  three boxes.

Finn

On 6/18/2020 11:10 PM, Steven W. Boese = SBoese@uwyo.edu wrote:
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I have a SpeedUino running a 13B test engine.  That system = is already set up with a throttle body position input which is not used in the recent version I have.  A few code changes allows = a potentiometer to be used through that input for manual mixture control.  I also found it not particularly difficult to come u= p with a dual wheel CAS file to be used with the Ardustim signal generator to simulate the 13B CAS for testing.

Steve Boese

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Actually Tracy now recommends the SpeedUino boards and using TunerStudio (there is a free version) as the modern solution.
Yes, you'll have to do a bit of work if you want redundancy and manual mixture control.
I see them on eBay for about $150 each. Add relays to switch between the outputs of the boards for redundancy.
A bit of cooperative work on the open source SpeedUino code and you could have manual mixture control, if not already done by now.
So it doesn't really doesn't have to be all that expensive. Maybe $400 for the hardware. Naturally, if you want an of-the-shelf solution and expect hand holding and support, you most likely have to pay for it.

So why did I chose a RWS EC3 for the RV-4 I'm building in spite of Tracy's recommendation?
The RV-3B I bought and have been flying has RWS EC2 and EM2, so I'm familiar with the operation of it.
And I guess I was too lazy to get into SpeedUino and learn that. Just seemed easier to install an EC3 and go fly. Would have worked too, if I hadn't listened to the warnings about using the stock Renesis ignition coils and gone and bought LS2 coils (D585). Also in the back of my mind was the track record of Tracy's controllers. I never really had a problem with them. In my mind they were reliable and proven. I guess one tends towards what one is familiar with. I should say that I still kind of enjoy tinkering with software and hardware. There is a certain satisfaction in overcoming obstacles and making things work, although it can be very time consuming.

I think we can draw a parallel to the mindset it takes to make your engine installation from scratch and just install a Lycoming.

So, with the data I now have, I think I would recommend what Tracy recommends for any new installations and only get spares for working EC2/3 installations. If I understand it right, there is wide support for SpeedUino out there.

Finn


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&n= bsp;            = ;            &n= bsp;   I note all the grief that is going back and forward and sympathise with you all.  I had trouble with mine way back, sent it back to Tracy and it took 3 months before I saw it again.  Decided then that this was not a good way to go as Tracy was semi retired then already.  Tracy to me was absolutely brilliant in what he did, but that was 40 years ago??  So I bought a fueltech unit which is current technology but very dear compared to Tracy=E2=80=99s ECM.  I = have not regretted this purchase.  The engine log can be emailed for support and within 24 hours you are fixed up.  Then I am totally computer illiterate, = so unable to fix anything like that myself, so I pay as usual. 

Ne= il.

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 2:10 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: EC3 software for Renesis RX-8/LS2 coils fixed and uploaded=

 

Hi Bobby,

Actually Tracy does have a few new EC3 boards. I didn't ask how many.

The hot question really is how big is the demand (quantity)?

I probably have enough data from him (schematics, parts lists, PCB layout) to get a production run done.

Tracy is serious about having retired. I was really, really lucky to get his help.

I think a big reason for his decision to retire is to have time to enjoy life. I think the majority of his time before his retirement was spent on support (phone, emails).

He really has no economic incentive to come out of retirement.

So while we could get a production run done, I doubt anyone would be willing to spend time on support -- certainly not for new installations. Also the variety of engines, accessories and specialized programming for some installations would make it a nightmare to program the chips. Solution for that would probably be to read the working chips for your installation and then program the new chips with that, but then some would not get the latest features (closed loop, auto program using EC3 w/o EM).

I thought I might take it on, but having second thoughts :)

Will probably be a few days before I'm ready to roll the fuselage out of the hangar and do engine runs.

Finn

On 6/18/2020 10:18 AM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net wrote:

Thanks Finn. I downloaded the files and notes. Once you are confident the hardware and software works properly we might consider a onetime production run of EC3=E2=80=99s for existing EC2/3 owners. I wou= ld like to have a tested spare available. It would likely take Tracy=E2=80=99s involvement to facilitate= the board build or at least provided the suppler information and proper Rev number.

 

I really appreciate the work you, Steve Izett and Steve B. are doing.

 

Bobby

 

From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 6:11 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] EC3 software for Renesis RX-8/LS2 coils fixed and uploaded<= u>

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Here it is:
https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mVzPOxUwcGUlPizxnRF40nUyKBzfT4D= C?usp=3Dsharing
It's EC3closedloop.zip.

You may want to grab it now in case Google decides to close my account :)

You can program the 18F452 chips directly using the EC3CL8.HEX file, or open EC3ClosedLoop.mcp in MPLAB IDE, compile and program. This is for RX-8 (EC3 engine type A8), LS2 coils (D585), large secondary injectors, default is wide band O2 sensor.

Turns out Tracy has never programmed or delivered an EC3 for Renesis with LS2 coils.
Software was missing code to load LS2 coils dwell time.

I added Steve's code for configuration bits so don't have to remember what to set them to when programming.
I set all protection bits to zero to avoid any chip reprogramming troubles, but you could change to:


; CONFIG6L
  CONFIG  WRT0 =3D ON   &nb=
sp;         ; Write Protection bit =
(Block 0 (000200-001FFFh) write protected)

Finn

ENG          = ;  EQU    0xA8      ;PUT ENGINE TYPE CODE HERE AND CHECK **** ALL **** FLAGS BELOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 

N109TC        EQU 0x00&nb= sp;   ;N109TC USES A DIFFERENT assignment of coil drivers  CLEAR for ALL except N109TC !!!!! and KERMIT unit   20B controller= s

DIAG        EQU 0x00 = ;       ;DIAG =3D=3D1 ALLOWS DIAGNOSTIC USE OF 02H&L

;  *****************     CHECK= ALL FLAGS BEFORE PROGRAM MING CHIPS  !!!!!   **************************************************

;   ***************    DWELL T= IME FLAGS   *SET ONLY ONE*      ***********************************************

RX8COIL        EQU &= nbsp;  0x00        ;1=3D 2.6MS DWELL TIME  (RX-8 COIL)
RX7COIL        EQU 0x00&n= bsp;       ;1=3D 3.5MS DWELL TIME USED   (also used for A7 2007 option)
LS1COIL        EQU &= nbsp;  0x00        ;1=3D 4.3 MS DWELL USED
HONDACOIL    EQU 0x00    =     ;1=3D 1.7 MS DWELL            (A REALLY TINY COIL)
LS2COIL        EQU&nbs= p;   0x01        ;1=3D 4.0 MS DWELL       

 
TURBO        EQU &nb= sp;  0x00        ;0 =3D NA, 1 =3D TURBO VERSION     (BIT 0 SET IN ECINFO IF TRUE= )
BFACTOR        EQU &= nbsp;  D'20'        ;BOOST RETARD FOR IGNITION TIMING  lower value =3D more boost retard= (25 IS USED FOR MOST ROTARY 20 on 03-05-09,
LGSEC        EQU =    0x01        ;0 =3D PRI & SEC INJECTORS SAME SIZE  1 =3D LARGER SECOND= ARY INJECTORS (RENESIS 4 port)
WIDEBAND    EQU 0x01  &= nbsp;     ;0 =3D NARROWBAND O2 SENSOR IN USE, 1 =3D WIDEBAND SENSOR IN USE.
TEMPSENSOR    EQU    0x00=         ;0 =3D THERMISTOR, 1 =3D LM34
MAPSENSOR    EQU    0x00&= nbsp;       ;0 =3D MPX4250 SENSOR, 1 =3D MPX4115 (EARLIER VERSION OF EC2 ONLY)
BUSENSOR    EQU    0x00&n= bsp;       ;0 =3D NO BACKUP SENSOR, 1 =3D BACKUP INSTALLED (0xA8,0xA9,AB,AD,B1,B2,B4 0-200 ENGINE ONLY)
BREW        EQU &nbs= p;  0x00        ;0 =3D SET TO 1 FOR 3RD GEN 13BREW ENGINES :  COMPENSATES FOR 5 DEG EARLIE= R 3RD GEN TIMING OF CAS
ONEINJ        EQU &n= bsp;  0x00        ;0 =3D NORMAL 2 INJECTOR PER ROTOR  1 =3D 1 INJ PER ROTOR  (N= OT RECOMMENDED)
CONT        EQU &nbs= p;  0x00        ;0 =3D NORMAL 0xA9 ENGINE, 1 =3D CONTINENTAL/Lyc VARIENT (also sets bu at 18 geg before primary)
EMT          &n= bsp; EQU    0x00        ;0 =3D= A9 W/ TRIG @ 6 DEG ATDC   1 =3D TDC @ TOOTH 11 (ELECTROMOT= IVE TIMING SPEC) also sets BU at 180 deg
A72007        EQU &n= bsp;  0x00        ;0 =3D PRE 2005 SUBE EJ25   1 =3D 2005 OR LATER EJ25 W/ RX-8 TYPE = CAS         
WTF         EQU= 0x00        ;0 =3D normal version  1 = =3D BRAT  - AKA - WhatTheFuck project version with transmission control functions     =   

TBINJ        EQU &nb= sp;  0x00        ;1=3D THROTTLE BODY INJECTION FLAG
LS2_60_2    EQU    0x00&n= bsp;       ;1=3D LS2 ENGINE EQUIPPED W/60-2 TOOTH TRIGGER WHEEL  (USE ENG CODE 0xAB)

 

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