X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RZTu9Glv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=P2sthHZwQUiaSiprwmYoeA==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=Fee85h93u3AA:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=Fr2j4PvoRqwA:10 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=iSPQwHhDAAAA:20 a=imWY3K8CDRyc04OL-EgA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=rvOyFwbvG4KKo1zP:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=nt3jZW36AmriUCFCBwmW:22 From: "lehanover lehanover@aol.com" Received: from sonic302-2.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com ([74.6.135.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 368105 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 07:31:22 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=74.6.135.41; envelope-from=lehanover@aol.com DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=aol.com; s=a2048; t=1592134265; bh=pa8CglkI5a6VxTZXF9yz3zgpw2zdqfNARu2fuGStDMY=; h=Date:From:To:In-Reply-To:References:Subject:From:Subject; b=rkTub0xVpzWrW+I8E1mbd5xyI8iMPgq56JVk+PoMdtOM17tO/en0K4skwRLJ1kijLmEa+SdP4eaCrq8rzARhG/GoipIzHpcv6IJdwJbmIcqV5zUf7ufbAtwOib6na6TMtiZxdF9Er8cU565v9ikkcRVS6VrrDhCPonZhb+AyuRS5vpxmrOWiG6v8XWQWGawFId8wK+tmeXAw77FS+Trx4GgUAjOTXk4PRnv9XxXYSmAzoJTUMZLm6U3AIUtMlCIh9NV6cPv8vyprtJtJ/GPyNUTrLbCjWuIBnI9g089feAZ5DyEIYUmDEYsODpKMEgkdo6qRMB0R8pZOXJ35A4KHTg== X-YMail-OSG: gaMdDyUVM1lUxAlTBcedbfmYaHIZxPnJsBaPOZd.iP_HtauB3rcNtOkxzc74Sif tdWowITrK.YarelX8KgS9QtbssYk2suOO4_Rr7.3X1.TvvYJDC0Ojs5dfuWhaKEZaf7vOB_ceA1v sXydJcb7QUjoP4HHav8WRD86Zvf0uCXBqX0H1UqF7F.Jnjvx7Me3D3tcHZuI177jRlRywo2Q492a WTusXNjVOxVwra0T7nII0rDRU2Ul4zOvlmNsaCqJr.wgLYRzrqOmxPW10XmpDtcOfaNl1foQDcF9 cn5GaGLLCazP86SM0Gb_K850_jOmVgLmsw6VELk_pLng4qbBF5VE8B0UD_IIf3BDV.9CQXwSkuDP 5n6BHrWtTiIKoc47lMH56TVtXBAwPicB58I4A16CWfxFe8q6koOG.JKpShGfBDmksr3Uy2_FKKgs .sCVOjFyCFAjntfSqfhMkmaczNY6LFVSKdoG48N1pR5k_5z.l0YFl.PnrnZhUJ5ioqC8y0lBu4Fa IjXzWFyC_HvcO16vYnbwVpCYY9TwjQ7NS5Rry52q7TSBwj2XMatXge_SpHFxpfn3vXaj9GfZJ8Xq MFlmjgwHER3R0rQjlWgtUjZSlWfqsnOl.0H7r1OCxmo2H0FGxepPbud5VbkxA1kSpdS7uWLeRB7d IXUUAE5V3WX.S3D9XDVgE5x8W53Whh7PW6dn3cmHCvxawzUSjCAWrd5OpOlUAH2582rtt8cNRxXh HWSKTAN1OIQbsSZh4_1u8TqLsRdmca0WwzjPvw9dgTmFnxQ1TG5DIJCUGv71rkaRMIGP90XbTq07 3yopmKNssMld.jsqRQE3wTN6lXjOjRHl4H0lUDknO3fVCx5pQN4H_AqssYzohRvZDbaXpfZV4B3P tQ1K8pSXR2XWH9p7ADkKyLg0YM5pnaeVDhzjpDH9bjyxI1HN22eKuGYtBe3lRjLoNhON44xr4f8l WWZnIvWLFOJT0vVLqMe1._mkYb9.LoEAD.qtMybIrvODrJfs0u4_No.YgTffxhquFkuF9wgwffyG NWyov9ILO.L1.r2aU7Xo6zIHetlYXJ6w2.0gO0WnBlopCmn74gFYkile7pnzYTsuLEdmO.ABfkL9 fNOSbj.hpeJ2U9Rv4gBzP2B_pQhLd6R2Colc2ftq3ckM4y.dGklfB7ZJjbeUhmjo0DgWB3O0OK1i 1rl1M6LBwEh4yBlWwen_RlrJAIIbqKSa7Aapq0kaMZ6uz6c3maNc2AXBm6SfowaGofu8oeTrpyoD oAZrm2qUWsdSO3xM5FOc9wVyabTWwxtzG4ZsX.1J2XcgmlXiG9tt1AdosgdBOFQ-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic302.consmr.mail.bf2.yahoo.com with HTTP; Sun, 14 Jun 2020 11:31:05 +0000 Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 11:31:04 +0000 (UTC) To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message-ID: <1950642842.383281.1592134264102@mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Lapping MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_383280_195297503.1592134264101" X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16119 aolloki Apache-HttpClient/4.5.7 (Java/1.8.0_144) Content-Length: 7247 ------=_Part_383280_195297503.1592134264101 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If your drill press has a very low speed capability, or you have a vertical= mill, a simple jig can be fabricated with an offset hole for mounting a ba= ll bearing to orbit the big oil drain back hole in the center and a bit of = a pan to capture the grinding compound as it falls out of the system. In le= ss than an hour you can produce a superb finish on two irons. Also you can = recover nearly all of the compound. The irons are gas Nitrided for longer w= ear about .005" deep. But early irons were not. They would still go over 10= 0,000 miles. Plus, the irons so lapped will hold an oil film better than a = stock iron, and seal better than a stock iron. In cases where the iron is slightly warped, you can have it ground flat on = a head machine on both sides. Then lap it to kill off the tooling marks and= produce that great finish. Keep in mind that the engine (stack) is getting a bit shorter each time you= do this. Not a problem when lapping as much as grinding and then lapping.T= he crank is end play controlled from the front iron,=C2=A0 so the crank is = pushed to the rear as the stack gets shorter.=C2=A0 Some folks would not ta= ke this into account and build an engine that had the front end of the rear= main bearing riding up on the radius on the rear of the crank. I have had = them remove the engine and then the flywheel at the track, in order to remo= ve the rear stationary gear and scrape the front end of the bearingThen rep= lace the rear stationary gear with a spacer made from cardboard from a Budw= eiser 12 pack.Never a problem. I have also found this problem on new parts.= So I scrape the rear main before assembly on every engine build.=C2=A0I us= ed double lip seals in the rear main. One lip facing forward to keep oil in= the engine and one facing the rear to keep dirt out of the bearing. You ca= n also buy half width seals and put in two seals. If you use two or a doubl= e, put some grease between the seal lips so they cannot run dry. This is a = must when using a dry sump pump as the engine may well be running internal = pressures below ambient, (local air pressure) and trying to pull in dirt pa= st the seal. For normal sump engines I remove the spring from a new seal and shorten the= spring about 3/8" and reinstall it. This also helps keep oil in the engine= during a side seal, and or, "O" ring failure.=C2=A0 Oil staying in the eng= ine is good yes?=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Some assemb= ly may be required. LEH In a message dated 6/14/2020 2:43:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@la= ncaironline.net writes: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1wOAJp-sW8oUfwF-4chMhPKpPkeRFugWl/view?usp= =3Ddrivesdk Sent from my iPhoneLe Roux Breytenbach ------=_Part_383280_195297503.1592134264101 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
If your drill press has a very low speed capability, or you have a vertical mill, a simple jig can be fabricated with an offset hole for mounting a ball bearing to orbit the big oil drain back hole in the center and a bit of a pan to capture the grinding compound as it falls out of the system. In less than an hour you can produce a superb finish on two irons. Also you can recover nearly all of the compound. The irons are gas Nitrided for longer wear about .005" deep. But early irons were not. They would still go over 100,000 miles. Plus, the irons so lapped will hold an oil film better than a stock iron, and seal better than a stock iron.

In cases where the iron is slightly warped, you can have it ground flat on a head machine on both sides. Then lap it to kill off the tooling marks and produce that great finish.

Keep in mind that the engine (stack) is getting a bit shorter each time you do this. Not a problem when lapping as much as grinding and then lapping.The crank is end play controlled from the front iron,  so the crank is pushed to the rear as the stack gets shorter.  Some folks would not take this into account and build an engine that had the front end of the rear main bearing riding up on the radius on the rear of the crank. I have had them remove the engine and then the flywheel at the track, in order to remove the rear stationary gear and scrape the front end of the bearing
Then replace the rear stationary gear with a spacer made from cardboard from a Budweiser 12 pack.
Never a problem. I have also found this problem on new parts. So I scrape the rear main before assembly on every engine build.
 I used double lip seals in the rear main. One lip facing forward to keep oil in the engine and one facing the rear to keep dirt out of the bearing. You can also buy half width seals and put in two seals. If you use two or a double, put some grease between the seal lips so they cannot run dry. This is a must when using a dry sump pump as the engine may well be running internal pressures below ambient, (local air pressure) and trying to pull in dirt past the seal.

For normal sump engines I remove the spring from a new seal and shorten the spring about 3/8" and reinstall it. This also helps keep oil in the engine during a side seal, and or, "O" ring failure.  Oil staying in the engine is good yes?             Some assembly may be required.

LEH

In a message dated 6/14/2020 2:43:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

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