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To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000df7ec505a745e40d" --000000000000df7ec505a745e40d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also have the EC2 & EM2 with the autotune. It does work, but it only makes changes to the map table at the address that you are currently on due to your throttle position. Moving your throttle position to other addresses will result in gaps where it is hard to hit each address using the auto tune. At this point though you should have a decent base line to work with and you can just manually go through the table to make adjustments as it will be obvious which ones need to be adjusted. Then repeat as required. But as Andrew pointed out it uses a narrow-band O2 sensor, so it is not great. I have a PLX wide-band O2 sensor that also has a narrow-band output that feeds the input to the EM2. I can't say for sure but it did seem to give a more responsive signal to the EM2, which improved the auto tune. But as it also gives a very accurate and responsive wide-band output to it's own display, which is essential for fine tuning manually. Todd Bartrim On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:57 AM Andrew Martin andrew@martinag.com.au < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > I have 2007 EC2, EM2 has autotune feature, I just found it quicker to tun= e > manually as its setup for narrowband o2 sensor, but used wideband. > Andrew > > On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 10:14 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> I doubt there's auto tune in the EC2, but what do I know? >> >> OK, looked in EC2 source code, last comment ;10-09-05 (Oct 2005), so I >> doubt it. >> There's also source code for EC2F, what ever that is. Latest comment >> there is ;03-16-12 >> >> No mention of auto tune in either. >> >> I could be wrong. >> >> Finn >> >> On 6/4/2020 9:01 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >> > Hi Finn & all >> > >> > Can anyone using an EC2 confirm if the Autotune functions works for >> them? >> > Not the autotune built into the EM3 engine monitor, the EC2 version. >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Steve Izett >> > >> >> On 2 Jun 2020, at 10:10 pm, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com < >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi Finn >> >> >> >> Thanks for the updated EC3 doc. I had an older version. >> >> >> >> Steve >> >> >> >>> On 2 Jun 2020, at 9:28 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net < >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Yes, after putting the EC3 into injector test mode and checking that >> each is clicking (screwdriver as stethoscope) and into ignition test mod= e >> and see that all four plugs are firing, that would be my next step. >> >>> >> >>> You say you've already checked that the wiring to coils and injector= s >> are correct: >> >>> J2-3 Prim Inj 1 >> >>> J2-4 Sec Inj 1 >> >>> ... >> >>> J2-10 Trail Coil 1 >> >>> ... >> >>> >> >>> I continuously surprised myself on how often I'd wired something >> wrong, in spite of trying to be very careful about getting it right. I >> wasn't kidding about Murphy working overtime. >> >>> It's easy to get the pin numbering wrong on the connectors. >> >>> >> >>> If I were getting desperate, I would remove (one at a time) the >> connectors on the injectors and coils and check continuity from J2 pin t= o >> the connector pin. >> >>> (You know that the power side are correct because works with EC2) >> >>> Finn >> >>> Got the copper washers in the mail today, but think I'll wait for >> these: >> >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/293592023854 >> >>> >> >>> On 6/1/2020 7:30 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>> Thanks Finn. >> >>>> >> >>>> I had a chance to unpack the dump last night and conquer with your >> reflection. >> >>>> I=E2=80=99m in the dark re the EC3. Checked wiring twice now. >> >>>> I must put a cro on the injectors and coils to confirm they are >> triggering correctly. >> >>>> >> >>>> Steve >> >>>> >> >>>>> On 1 Jun 2020, at 9:59 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net < >> flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Program Mode 5 (Reset function) >> >>>>> >> >>>>> As of 01-25-13 the EC3 can be used with either the common >> narrowband O2 sensors or the more advanced wideband sensor systems. Be >> sure to verify that your wideband sensor outputs in the range of 0 - +5 >> volts if using a wideband type. To select the type in use, use the powe= r >> up program mode method below: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> To select the O2 sensor type , perform the following steps: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> 1. Turn the EC3 power off. >> >>>>> 2. Select mode 5 with the Mode Select switch >> >>>>> 3. Select the O2 sensor type using the Cold Start switch: Up =3D >> Wideband, Down =3D Narrowband >> >>>>> 4. Press and hold the Program Store switch. >> >>>>> 5. While holding down the Program Store switch, turn on the power >> switch to the EC3. >> >>>>> 6. Keep holding the Program Store switch for about 1 second, and >> then release it. >> >>>>> 7. Return the Mode Select switch to 0. >> >>>>> 8. Power the EC3 off. When the EC3 is powered up again it will >> be set for the O2 sensor type selected. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Uploaded doc to: >> >>>>> >> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mVzPOxUwcGUlPizxnRF40nUyKBzfT4DC= ?usp=3Dsharing >> >>>>> >> >>>>> PDF version still states that B is automatically programmed when A >> is programmed. Not true. Use the Word doc. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Finn >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On 6/1/2020 9:16 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >> >>>>>> Hi Finn >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> How does the mode 5 O2 sensor change work. >> >>>>>> Ive not found this in the EC3 documentation. >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> Steve >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>>> On 31 May 2020, at 4:08 am, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.co= m >> wrote: >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Hi Finn >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thats good news. >> >>>>>>> At some point I=E2=80=99ll plug the EC3 in and see what the EM3 = reports. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> We=E2=80=99re finally back in the air and testing again after th= e last 3 >> months of responding to COVID here in Perth. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Last mods included some reshaping of inlets and diffusers and >> tidying up the inlet manifold (grinding smooth some weld that had >> penetrated into the runners). >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Yesterday our Renesis 4 port max fuel flow is up 10% to I think = a >> reasonably accurate 18 gal/hr at 7100rpm, 29.5 inch of MAP and mixture a= t >> best power. >> >>>>>>> We burn our Australian Premium Unleaded with no Ethanol which I >> believe is 6.26 lb/gal so I=E2=80=99m thinking thats around 190hp. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Cheers >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Steve >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> On 31 May 2020, at 12:58 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.ne= t >> wrote: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Wrong engine code solved! >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I looked at the dates of files in the EC3CL folder. These files >> were not updated to the date I programmed the EC3: >> >>>>>>>> ECCL8.cof >> >>>>>>>> ECCL8.map >> >>>>>>>> ECCL8.O >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> So I started from scratch: >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Unzipped the EC3CL folder. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Set ENG =3D A8; LS2COIL, LGSEC and WIDEBAND to 1 and rest to 0. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Did "Erase", "Clean" and "Build All" and "Program" in MPLAB and >> reinstalled chip for controller A. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Now EM3 correctly shows "A8" for engine code. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Changed to narrow band using mode 5, and EM3 display correctly >> changed from 16 to 12 for ENGINFO. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> I must have chosen the "Make" option in MPLAB when I first >> programmed the chips, I guess. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately I must have damaged the controller B CPU chip whe= n >> handling it (MPLAB reports device ID =3D 0) and will have to order a new= one. >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Finn >> >>>>>>>> >> >>>>>>>> Still waiting for the $1.79 shipped copper washers to arrive in >> mail. Maybe I should bite the bullet and order five (six) Stat-O-Seal >> washer/O-rings at $8.56 per pack of two. $25.68 total :( >> >>>>>>> -- >> >>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >>>>>> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> -- >> >>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >>>>> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >>>> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >>>> >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >>> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > >> > -- >> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> > Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > >> >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > -- > Regards Andrew Martin Martin Ag > --000000000000df7ec505a745e40d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I also have the EC2 & EM2 with the autotune. It does w= ork, but it only makes changes to the map table at the address that you are= currently on due to your throttle position. Moving your throttle position = to other addresses=C2=A0will result in gaps where it is hard to hit each ad= dress using the auto tune. At this point though you should have a decent ba= se line to work with and you can just manually go through the table to make= adjustments as it will be obvious which ones need to be adjusted. Then rep= eat as required.
But as Andrew pointed out it uses a narrow-band O2 sen= sor, so it is not great. I have a PLX wide-band O2 sensor that also has a n= arrow-band output that feeds the input to the EM2. I can't say for sure= but it did seem to give a more responsive signal to the EM2, which improve= d the auto tune. But as it also gives a very accurate and responsive=C2=A0w= ide-band output to it's own display, which is essential for fine tuning= manually.

Todd Bartri= m


On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 7:57 AM Andrew Martin = andrew@martinag.com.au <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I have 2007 EC2, EM2 has autotune feature, I just found= it quicker to tune manually as its setup for narrowband o2 sensor, but use= d wideband.
Andrew

On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 1= 0:14 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
=
I doubt there's= auto tune in the EC2, but what do I know?

OK, looked in EC2 source code, last comment ;10-09-05 (Oct 2005), so I
doubt it.
There's also source code for EC2F, what ever that is. Latest comment there is ;03-16-12

No mention of auto tune in either.

I could be wrong.

Finn

On 6/4/2020 9:01 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Finn & all
>
> Can anyone using an EC2 confirm if the Autotune functions works for th= em?
> Not the autotune built into the EM3 engine monitor, the EC2 version. >
> Thanks
>
> Steve Izett
>
>> On 2 Jun 2020, at 10:10 pm, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancai= ronline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Finn
>>
>> Thanks for the updated EC3 doc. I had an older version.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>> On 2 Jun 2020, at 9:28 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, after putting the EC3 into injector test mode and checkin= g that each is clicking (screwdriver as stethoscope) and into ignition test= mode and see that all four plugs are firing, that would be my next step. >>>
>>> You say you've already checked that the wiring to coils an= d injectors are correct:
>>> J2-3 Prim Inj 1
>>> J2-4 Sec Inj 1
>>> ...
>>> J2-10 Trail Coil 1
>>> ...
>>>
>>> I continuously surprised myself on how often I'd wired som= ething wrong, in spite of trying to be very careful about getting it right.= I wasn't kidding about Murphy working overtime.
>>> It's easy to get the pin numbering wrong on the connectors= .
>>>
>>> If I were getting desperate, I would remove (one at a time) th= e connectors on the injectors and coils and check continuity from J2 pin to= the connector pin.
>>> (You know that the power side are correct because works with E= C2)
>>> Finn
>>> Got the copper washers in the mail today, but think I'll w= ait for these:
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/293592023854
>>>
>>> On 6/1/2020 7:30 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Thanks Finn.
>>>>
>>>> I had a chance to unpack the dump last night and conquer w= ith your reflection.
>>>> I=E2=80=99m in the dark re the EC3. Checked wiring twice n= ow.
>>>> I must put a cro on the injectors and coils to confirm the= y are triggering correctly.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Jun 2020, at 9:59 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net &= lt;flyrota= ry@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Program Mode 5 (Reset function)
>>>>>
>>>>> As of 01-25-13 the EC3 can be used with either the com= mon narrowband O2 sensors or the more advanced wideband sensor systems.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0Be sure to verify that your wideband sensor outputs in the range = of 0 - +5 volts if using a wideband type.=C2=A0 To select the type in use, = use the power up program mode method below:
>>>>>
>>>>> To select the O2 sensor type , perform the following s= teps:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.=C2=A0 Turn the EC3 power off.
>>>>> 2.=C2=A0 Select mode 5 with the Mode Select switch
>>>>> 3.=C2=A0 Select the O2 sensor type using the Cold Star= t switch:=C2=A0 Up =3D Wideband, Down =3D Narrowband
>>>>> 4.=C2=A0 Press and hold the Program Store switch.
>>>>> 5.=C2=A0 While holding down the Program Store switch, = turn on the power switch to the EC3.
>>>>> 6.=C2=A0 Keep holding the Program Store switch for abo= ut 1 second, and then release it.
>>>>> 7.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Return the Mode Select switch to 0.
>>>>> 8.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Power the EC3 off.=C2=A0 =C2=A0When the= EC3 is powered up again it will be set for the O2 sensor type selected. >>>>>
>>>>> Uploaded doc to:
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mVzPOxUwcGUlPizxnRF40nUyKBzf= T4DC?usp=3Dsharing
>>>>>
>>>>> PDF version still states that B is automatically progr= ammed when A is programmed. Not true. Use the Word doc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/1/2020 9:16 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote= :
>>>>>> Hi Finn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does the mode 5 O2 sensor change work.
>>>>>> Ive not found this in the EC3 documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 31 May 2020, at 4:08 am, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmai= l.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Finn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thats good news.
>>>>>>> At some point I=E2=80=99ll plug the EC3 in and= see what the EM3 reports.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We=E2=80=99re finally back in the air and test= ing again after the last 3 months of responding to COVID here in Perth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last mods included some reshaping of inlets an= d diffusers and tidying up the inlet manifold (grinding smooth some weld th= at had penetrated into the runners).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yesterday our Renesis 4 port max fuel flow is = up 10% to I think a reasonably accurate 18 gal/hr at 7100rpm, 29.5 inch of = MAP and mixture at best power.
>>>>>>> We burn our Australian Premium Unleaded with n= o Ethanol which I believe is 6.26 lb/gal so I=E2=80=99m thinking thats arou= nd 190hp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 31 May 2020, at 12:58 am, Finn Lassen <= a href=3D"mailto:finn.lassen@verizon.net" target=3D"_blank">finn.lassen@ver= izon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong engine code solved!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I looked at the dates of files in the EC3C= L folder. These files were not updated to the date I programmed the EC3: >>>>>>>> ECCL8.cof
>>>>>>>> ECCL8.map
>>>>>>>> ECCL8.O
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <mcppihngfoiehjon.png>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I started from scratch:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unzipped the EC3CL folder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Set ENG =3D A8; LS2COIL, LGSEC and WIDEBAN= D to 1 and rest to 0.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did "Erase", "Clean" a= nd "Build All" and "Program" in MPLAB and reinstalled c= hip for controller A.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now EM3 correctly shows "A8" for= engine code.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Changed to narrow band using mode 5, and E= M3 display correctly changed from 16 to 12 for ENGINFO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I must have chosen the "Make" op= tion in MPLAB when I first programmed the chips, I guess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I must have damaged the cont= roller B CPU chip when handling it (MPLAB reports device ID =3D 0) and will= have to order a new one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still waiting for the $1.79 shipped copper= washers to arrive in mail. Maybe I should bite the bullet and order five (= six) Stat-O-Seal washer/O-rings at $8.56 per pack of two. $25.68 total :( >>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/<= br> >>>>>>> Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 =C2=A0http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.htm= l
>>>>>> --
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