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To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000486ad005a7435de6" --000000000000486ad005a7435de6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have 2007 EC2, EM2 has autotune feature, I just found it quicker to tune manually as its setup for narrowband o2 sensor, but used wideband. Andrew On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 at 10:14 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > I doubt there's auto tune in the EC2, but what do I know? > > OK, looked in EC2 source code, last comment ;10-09-05 (Oct 2005), so I > doubt it. > There's also source code for EC2F, what ever that is. Latest comment > there is ;03-16-12 > > No mention of auto tune in either. > > I could be wrong. > > Finn > > On 6/4/2020 9:01 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > > Hi Finn & all > > > > Can anyone using an EC2 confirm if the Autotune functions works for the= m? > > Not the autotune built into the EM3 engine monitor, the EC2 version. > > > > Thanks > > > > Steve Izett > > > >> On 2 Jun 2020, at 10:10 pm, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >> > >> Hi Finn > >> > >> Thanks for the updated EC3 doc. I had an older version. > >> > >> Steve > >> > >>> On 2 Jun 2020, at 9:28 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >>> > >>> Yes, after putting the EC3 into injector test mode and checking that > each is clicking (screwdriver as stethoscope) and into ignition test mode > and see that all four plugs are firing, that would be my next step. > >>> > >>> You say you've already checked that the wiring to coils and injectors > are correct: > >>> J2-3 Prim Inj 1 > >>> J2-4 Sec Inj 1 > >>> ... > >>> J2-10 Trail Coil 1 > >>> ... > >>> > >>> I continuously surprised myself on how often I'd wired something > wrong, in spite of trying to be very careful about getting it right. I > wasn't kidding about Murphy working overtime. > >>> It's easy to get the pin numbering wrong on the connectors. > >>> > >>> If I were getting desperate, I would remove (one at a time) the > connectors on the injectors and coils and check continuity from J2 pin to > the connector pin. > >>> (You know that the power side are correct because works with EC2) > >>> Finn > >>> Got the copper washers in the mail today, but think I'll wait for > these: > >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/293592023854 > >>> > >>> On 6/1/2020 7:30 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > >>>> Thanks Finn. > >>>> > >>>> I had a chance to unpack the dump last night and conquer with your > reflection. > >>>> I=E2=80=99m in the dark re the EC3. Checked wiring twice now. > >>>> I must put a cro on the injectors and coils to confirm they are > triggering correctly. > >>>> > >>>> Steve > >>>> > >>>>> On 1 Jun 2020, at 9:59 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Program Mode 5 (Reset function) > >>>>> > >>>>> As of 01-25-13 the EC3 can be used with either the common narrowban= d > O2 sensors or the more advanced wideband sensor systems. Be sure to > verify that your wideband sensor outputs in the range of 0 - +5 volts if > using a wideband type. To select the type in use, use the power up progr= am > mode method below: > >>>>> > >>>>> To select the O2 sensor type , perform the following steps: > >>>>> > >>>>> 1. Turn the EC3 power off. > >>>>> 2. Select mode 5 with the Mode Select switch > >>>>> 3. Select the O2 sensor type using the Cold Start switch: Up =3D > Wideband, Down =3D Narrowband > >>>>> 4. Press and hold the Program Store switch. > >>>>> 5. While holding down the Program Store switch, turn on the power > switch to the EC3. > >>>>> 6. Keep holding the Program Store switch for about 1 second, and > then release it. > >>>>> 7. Return the Mode Select switch to 0. > >>>>> 8. Power the EC3 off. When the EC3 is powered up again it will > be set for the O2 sensor type selected. > >>>>> > >>>>> Uploaded doc to: > >>>>> > https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mVzPOxUwcGUlPizxnRF40nUyKBzfT4DC?= usp=3Dsharing > >>>>> > >>>>> PDF version still states that B is automatically programmed when A > is programmed. Not true. Use the Word doc. > >>>>> > >>>>> Finn > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> On 6/1/2020 9:16 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > >>>>>> Hi Finn > >>>>>> > >>>>>> How does the mode 5 O2 sensor change work. > >>>>>> Ive not found this in the EC3 documentation. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Steve > >>>>>> > >>>>>>> On 31 May 2020, at 4:08 am, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com > wrote: > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Hi Finn > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thats good news. > >>>>>>> At some point I=E2=80=99ll plug the EC3 in and see what the EM3 r= eports. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> We=E2=80=99re finally back in the air and testing again after the= last 3 > months of responding to COVID here in Perth. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Last mods included some reshaping of inlets and diffusers and > tidying up the inlet manifold (grinding smooth some weld that had > penetrated into the runners). > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Yesterday our Renesis 4 port max fuel flow is up 10% to I think a > reasonably accurate 18 gal/hr at 7100rpm, 29.5 inch of MAP and mixture at > best power. > >>>>>>> We burn our Australian Premium Unleaded with no Ethanol which I > believe is 6.26 lb/gal so I=E2=80=99m thinking thats around 190hp. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Cheers > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Steve > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> On 31 May 2020, at 12:58 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net > wrote: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Wrong engine code solved! > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I looked at the dates of files in the EC3CL folder. These files > were not updated to the date I programmed the EC3: > >>>>>>>> ECCL8.cof > >>>>>>>> ECCL8.map > >>>>>>>> ECCL8.O > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> So I started from scratch: > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Unzipped the EC3CL folder. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Set ENG =3D A8; LS2COIL, LGSEC and WIDEBAND to 1 and rest to 0. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Did "Erase", "Clean" and "Build All" and "Program" in MPLAB and > reinstalled chip for controller A. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Now EM3 correctly shows "A8" for engine code. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Changed to narrow band using mode 5, and EM3 display correctly > changed from 16 to 12 for ENGINFO. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> I must have chosen the "Make" option in MPLAB when I first > programmed the chips, I guess. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Unfortunately I must have damaged the controller B CPU chip when > handling it (MPLAB reports device ID =3D 0) and will have to order a new = one. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Finn > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Still waiting for the $1.79 shipped copper washers to arrive in > mail. Maybe I should bite the bullet and order five (six) Stat-O-Seal > washer/O-rings at $8.56 per pack of two. $25.68 total :( > >>>>>>> -- > >>>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>>>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>>>> -- > >>>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>>>> > >>>>> -- > >>>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>> -- > >>>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >>>> > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >>> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > >> > >> -- > >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > >> Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > --=20 Regards Andrew Martin Martin Ag --000000000000486ad005a7435de6 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I have 2007 EC2, EM2 has autotune feature, I just fo= und it quicker to tune manually as its setup for narrowband o2 sensor, but = used wideband.
Andrew

On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 a= t 10:14 pm, Finn Lassen finn.las= sen@verizon.net <flyr= otary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I doubt there's auto tune in the EC2, but what do I know?

OK, looked in EC2 source code, last comment ;10-09-05 (Oct 2005), so I
doubt it.
There's also source code for EC2F, what ever that is. Latest comment there is ;03-16-12

No mention of auto tune in either.

I could be wrong.

Finn

On 6/4/2020 9:01 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi Finn & all
>
> Can anyone using an EC2 confirm if the Autotune functions works for th= em?
> Not the autotune built into the EM3 engine monitor, the EC2 version. >
> Thanks
>
> Steve Izett
>
>> On 2 Jun 2020, at 10:10 pm, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancai= ronline.net> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Finn
>>
>> Thanks for the updated EC3 doc. I had an older version.
>>
>> Steve
>>
>>> On 2 Jun 2020, at 9:28 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net <flyrotary@lanca= ironline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, after putting the EC3 into injector test mode and checkin= g that each is clicking (screwdriver as stethoscope) and into ignition test= mode and see that all four plugs are firing, that would be my next step. >>>
>>> You say you've already checked that the wiring to coils an= d injectors are correct:
>>> J2-3 Prim Inj 1
>>> J2-4 Sec Inj 1
>>> ...
>>> J2-10 Trail Coil 1
>>> ...
>>>
>>> I continuously surprised myself on how often I'd wired som= ething wrong, in spite of trying to be very careful about getting it right.= I wasn't kidding about Murphy working overtime.
>>> It's easy to get the pin numbering wrong on the connectors= .
>>>
>>> If I were getting desperate, I would remove (one at a time) th= e connectors on the injectors and coils and check continuity from J2 pin to= the connector pin.
>>> (You know that the power side are correct because works with E= C2)
>>> Finn
>>> Got the copper washers in the mail today, but think I'll w= ait for these:
>>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/293592023854
>>>
>>> On 6/1/2020 7:30 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote:
>>>> Thanks Finn.
>>>>
>>>> I had a chance to unpack the dump last night and conquer w= ith your reflection.
>>>> I=E2=80=99m in the dark re the EC3. Checked wiring twice n= ow.
>>>> I must put a cro on the injectors and coils to confirm the= y are triggering correctly.
>>>>
>>>> Steve
>>>>
>>>>> On 1 Jun 2020, at 9:59 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net &= lt;flyrota= ry@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Program Mode 5 (Reset function)
>>>>>
>>>>> As of 01-25-13 the EC3 can be used with either the com= mon narrowband O2 sensors or the more advanced wideband sensor systems.=C2= =A0 =C2=A0Be sure to verify that your wideband sensor outputs in the range = of 0 - +5 volts if using a wideband type.=C2=A0 To select the type in use, = use the power up program mode method below:
>>>>>
>>>>> To select the O2 sensor type , perform the following s= teps:
>>>>>
>>>>> 1.=C2=A0 Turn the EC3 power off.
>>>>> 2.=C2=A0 Select mode 5 with the Mode Select switch
>>>>> 3.=C2=A0 Select the O2 sensor type using the Cold Star= t switch:=C2=A0 Up =3D Wideband, Down =3D Narrowband
>>>>> 4.=C2=A0 Press and hold the Program Store switch.
>>>>> 5.=C2=A0 While holding down the Program Store switch, = turn on the power switch to the EC3.
>>>>> 6.=C2=A0 Keep holding the Program Store switch for abo= ut 1 second, and then release it.
>>>>> 7.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Return the Mode Select switch to 0.
>>>>> 8.=C2=A0 =C2=A0Power the EC3 off.=C2=A0 =C2=A0When the= EC3 is powered up again it will be set for the O2 sensor type selected. >>>>>
>>>>> Uploaded doc to:
>>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mVzPOxUwcGUlPizxnRF40nUyKBzf= T4DC?usp=3Dsharing
>>>>>
>>>>> PDF version still states that B is automatically progr= ammed when A is programmed. Not true. Use the Word doc.
>>>>>
>>>>> Finn
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 6/1/2020 9:16 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote= :
>>>>>> Hi Finn
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How does the mode 5 O2 sensor change work.
>>>>>> Ive not found this in the EC3 documentation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 31 May 2020, at 4:08 am, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmai= l.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Finn
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thats good news.
>>>>>>> At some point I=E2=80=99ll plug the EC3 in and= see what the EM3 reports.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We=E2=80=99re finally back in the air and test= ing again after the last 3 months of responding to COVID here in Perth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Last mods included some reshaping of inlets an= d diffusers and tidying up the inlet manifold (grinding smooth some weld th= at had penetrated into the runners).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yesterday our Renesis 4 port max fuel flow is = up 10% to I think a reasonably accurate 18 gal/hr at 7100rpm, 29.5 inch of = MAP and mixture at best power.
>>>>>>> We burn our Australian Premium Unleaded with n= o Ethanol which I believe is 6.26 lb/gal so I=E2=80=99m thinking thats arou= nd 190hp.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Cheers
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Steve
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 31 May 2020, at 12:58 am, Finn Lassen <= a href=3D"mailto:finn.lassen@verizon.net" target=3D"_blank">finn.lassen@ver= izon.net <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Wrong engine code solved!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I looked at the dates of files in the EC3C= L folder. These files were not updated to the date I programmed the EC3: >>>>>>>> ECCL8.cof
>>>>>>>> ECCL8.map
>>>>>>>> ECCL8.O
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <mcppihngfoiehjon.png>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So I started from scratch:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unzipped the EC3CL folder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Set ENG =3D A8; LS2COIL, LGSEC and WIDEBAN= D to 1 and rest to 0.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did "Erase", "Clean" a= nd "Build All" and "Program" in MPLAB and reinstalled c= hip for controller A.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now EM3 correctly shows "A8" for= engine code.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Changed to narrow band using mode 5, and E= M3 display correctly changed from 16 to 12 for ENGINFO.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I must have chosen the "Make" op= tion in MPLAB when I first programmed the chips, I guess.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I must have damaged the cont= roller B CPU chip when handling it (MPLAB reports device ID =3D 0) and will= have to order a new one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Finn
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Still waiting for the $1.79 shipped copper= washers to arrive in mail. Maybe I should bite the bullet and order five (= six) Stat-O-Seal washer/O-rings at $8.56 per pack of two. $25.68 total :( >>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Homepage:=C2=A0 http://www.flyrotary.com/<= br> >>>>>>> Archive and UnSub:=C2=A0 =C2=A0http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.htm= l
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