X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RZTu9Glv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=giSso9DdQMjkbyo9kvmecw==:117 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=nbwDJ09AQ6IA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=pjdaNNIBAAAA:8 a=vKIbezlLAAAA:20 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=GiEoC1VSVaYMv6_cVLAA:9 a=Wvr9Shs2XjxzwUCV:21 a=qKvCL1IP037uDi97:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=S0wkRrzPavQA:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=5YQ6H4ZxyGn-KoBYtt8s:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net" Received: from sonic316-20.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([66.163.187.146] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 333646 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 10:14:46 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=66.163.187.146; envelope-from=finn.lassen@verizon.net DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=verizon.net; s=a2048; t=1591280069; bh=oGRtrL/1XUZnNM68+GAYF9tJsVkuV5HjysYI3y/oM0c=; h=Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To:From:Subject; b=DzYLj+LXuNMRn9DaLFb2ox78XyZQYfiiQlXYlQHdAV7dPV0nCaTgy25wldSow2fcmcy298HHPEpmsDKlEDRN3L86qdMvFy262yzHTbgRkjuRIh15ZfZove3BVsss4JOr7hTu6qXO0tgCl/1Oy7zgDhc/lMp7qVs8O1prpbNBqZe/pCGD0j/Q8gyj5qrgdpjdbhJ2zc8XFuQTUTAwTPT1hb3oYo+Bjv3ItoLvZIv+DJDATZknYFQdK5p9xeK5N6FBMTi0AjY6hgN2RpDZDmM3Oaiv9d7rMgmGLJG0QSDdEIR7TOMbj8yM5cc20J9dExjWVa3zcJwGM+j2qRZ7aDfMNQ== X-YMail-OSG: E7XjXKIVM1miwN1KlM_45Pvco8txViYn5NeQU0ekciB.9o60rKZjObKYMUvNtU1 pmTClJS1skbrpFazHjU66i1KhvlY4xQEKoGBAPOCdWQ2QUMFNUWU4TmtVL_ATyeL06CTNU41d6Vi eu46SGfq8cx..PsVIkgk2ZuRd1hwDrIv5fwB7cWMGP.PXVReWDE_fAMYP3QXkich.AYmKEwMUSOb 8IKfA93ftUBYv7TuhxWVKCJ1Mjt3WsW7RV7.Pg4sUkf.7DCWmQYKwtpPsDB3RgmC0X.kAOZFXOh5 DuCvPC06D5mb_CE4Szb3XVYyFFZbTklkjbnqRPu3J7s70aR1Hgq3g9_034oSzRkIvfPgsB5iayN5 vHFtQ60FNFA0HGwQpcZOXu_NV9MW0bQQfdnNt5NHTNr_hjpxQHVoaT1svQhK2h4Jyspj3LPzBOQJ R9Dn7CwchkLutPEJOUvK65o5GG_SGC3a5P9OFsuyjzc.vmVdrXNbTG.i64uGLKw_KN8uglXQgXjh DRdINTCeuCKcqLAtyT_cFts96ld7esHVldL8OOTt6UrLo3EDMjNbG2aFhUtOkkD6GjfuUL20oKt8 CObM0Gv7y8UrBjgfzoBhX6aNaZoWnrT7xfIuHhyrI8Oy0yfc17XvQ.gH4K1JqWKMERrjH2l45jUz oftmWLmbb.vIALPCdfWikl.2wyqqVHlgnEBRih3v0gNEQGDAuXxW4ZnZKJlkuGAcsRqmV2Ek.g9N V8gB5KJ1GbrMgzfclzSUDqH60Tz_tb8wE38W0MZ3dw5rmteAD1WCM9W.zDVXYeuXMp8Zq83v6AtC ENjlnoQgGAnTnZz.yvV7dPv9X83dWdXWXrE8HCGv2PT7VofRP9taL3qDPP7Z8ugVVdHqTysDs7j2 yATeyURv6sdMY7LoGnryRsKQdgqTfuG4hSAF7IyxUnwBlUnuSjBK5QgwDLIhpq0pKHn1Un7A8dEw btaG10Yc53CXTtzuydw6WM7aO4QahNBkyXCzhpQsbOVWIwW_.qv92w6y13OTxAUXKiOMbiSk3jFZ izKDc.0.tEqMxqIvXepBgkOxIYlSiljJeJpiHmI5mePWjyCki.wGG3mLXiTnoulZFKtaP3m9DZ17 bF1EIL2DyIXZomCFLx6qfq9R_h0qKjIiqEstIjPcSCUqbe2CiBTsSC1Z9cAq2WtIx7DcXlmfF9J0 F1SWWm2pido.adB46HCFnf5GUBwl.0IJbfDMlmWh8zqzro5wqx2zOHWE9Wg1zxuJBu23sMAB2scn zqx2aqqH7k7HhiqH9oexHg08btQpi_7uu0ZDkANKDGKnAmC5PBcn0YcuOLqF.sQqwCJWhgKgsXbK tM3IopTJmcPItuaukS85OQfe_wWvA6fbQqtPSLrlztr0uQT7Y7MQE8YxByhFprZPEGPUPDkbAtrl aX_PxS_OKZb6ViXwtOU840D3l587u.QKpVFlKMP71KA-- Received: from sonic.gate.mail.ne1.yahoo.com by sonic316.consmr.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with HTTP; Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:14:29 +0000 Received: by smtp411.mail.bf1.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 08c8863daee1524676acb41f85c77db8; Thu, 04 Jun 2020 14:14:26 +0000 (UTC) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: First engine run -- prop or not? To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:14:18 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 5.1; rv:52.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/52.9.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.16037 hermes_aol Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.6) Content-Length: 7064 I doubt there's auto tune in the EC2, but what do I know? OK, looked in EC2 source code, last comment ;10-09-05 (Oct 2005), so I doubt it. There's also source code for EC2F, what ever that is. Latest comment there is ;03-16-12 No mention of auto tune in either. I could be wrong. Finn On 6/4/2020 9:01 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > Hi Finn & all > > Can anyone using an EC2 confirm if the Autotune functions works for them? > Not the autotune built into the EM3 engine monitor, the EC2 version. > > Thanks > > Steve Izett > >> On 2 Jun 2020, at 10:10 pm, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >> >> Hi Finn >> >> Thanks for the updated EC3 doc. I had an older version. >> >> Steve >> >>> On 2 Jun 2020, at 9:28 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >>> >>> Yes, after putting the EC3 into injector test mode and checking that each is clicking (screwdriver as stethoscope) and into ignition test mode and see that all four plugs are firing, that would be my next step. >>> >>> You say you've already checked that the wiring to coils and injectors are correct: >>> J2-3 Prim Inj 1 >>> J2-4 Sec Inj 1 >>> ... >>> J2-10 Trail Coil 1 >>> ... >>> >>> I continuously surprised myself on how often I'd wired something wrong, in spite of trying to be very careful about getting it right. I wasn't kidding about Murphy working overtime. >>> It's easy to get the pin numbering wrong on the connectors. >>> >>> If I were getting desperate, I would remove (one at a time) the connectors on the injectors and coils and check continuity from J2 pin to the connector pin. >>> (You know that the power side are correct because works with EC2) >>> Finn >>> Got the copper washers in the mail today, but think I'll wait for these: >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/293592023854 >>> >>> On 6/1/2020 7:30 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>>> Thanks Finn. >>>> >>>> I had a chance to unpack the dump last night and conquer with your reflection. >>>> I’m in the dark re the EC3. Checked wiring twice now. >>>> I must put a cro on the injectors and coils to confirm they are triggering correctly. >>>> >>>> Steve >>>> >>>>> On 1 Jun 2020, at 9:59 pm, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Program Mode 5 (Reset function) >>>>> >>>>> As of 01-25-13 the EC3 can be used with either the common narrowband O2 sensors or the more advanced wideband sensor systems. Be sure to verify that your wideband sensor outputs in the range of 0 - +5 volts if using a wideband type. To select the type in use, use the power up program mode method below: >>>>> >>>>> To select the O2 sensor type , perform the following steps: >>>>> >>>>> 1. Turn the EC3 power off. >>>>> 2. Select mode 5 with the Mode Select switch >>>>> 3. Select the O2 sensor type using the Cold Start switch: Up = Wideband, Down = Narrowband >>>>> 4. Press and hold the Program Store switch. >>>>> 5. While holding down the Program Store switch, turn on the power switch to the EC3. >>>>> 6. Keep holding the Program Store switch for about 1 second, and then release it. >>>>> 7. Return the Mode Select switch to 0. >>>>> 8. Power the EC3 off. When the EC3 is powered up again it will be set for the O2 sensor type selected. >>>>> >>>>> Uploaded doc to: >>>>> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1mVzPOxUwcGUlPizxnRF40nUyKBzfT4DC?usp=sharing >>>>> >>>>> PDF version still states that B is automatically programmed when A is programmed. Not true. Use the Word doc. >>>>> >>>>> Finn >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 6/1/2020 9:16 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> Hi Finn >>>>>> >>>>>> How does the mode 5 O2 sensor change work. >>>>>> Ive not found this in the EC3 documentation. >>>>>> >>>>>> Steve >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 31 May 2020, at 4:08 am, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Finn >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thats good news. >>>>>>> At some point I’ll plug the EC3 in and see what the EM3 reports. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We’re finally back in the air and testing again after the last 3 months of responding to COVID here in Perth. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Last mods included some reshaping of inlets and diffusers and tidying up the inlet manifold (grinding smooth some weld that had penetrated into the runners). >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yesterday our Renesis 4 port max fuel flow is up 10% to I think a reasonably accurate 18 gal/hr at 7100rpm, 29.5 inch of MAP and mixture at best power. >>>>>>> We burn our Australian Premium Unleaded with no Ethanol which I believe is 6.26 lb/gal so I’m thinking thats around 190hp. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Steve >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 31 May 2020, at 12:58 am, Finn Lassen finn.lassen@verizon.net wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Wrong engine code solved! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I looked at the dates of files in the EC3CL folder. These files were not updated to the date I programmed the EC3: >>>>>>>> ECCL8.cof >>>>>>>> ECCL8.map >>>>>>>> ECCL8.O >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So I started from scratch: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unzipped the EC3CL folder. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Set ENG = A8; LS2COIL, LGSEC and WIDEBAND to 1 and rest to 0. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did "Erase", "Clean" and "Build All" and "Program" in MPLAB and reinstalled chip for controller A. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Now EM3 correctly shows "A8" for engine code. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Changed to narrow band using mode 5, and EM3 display correctly changed from 16 to 12 for ENGINFO. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I must have chosen the "Make" option in MPLAB when I first programmed the chips, I guess. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Unfortunately I must have damaged the controller B CPU chip when handling it (MPLAB reports device ID = 0) and will have to order a new one. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Finn >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Still waiting for the $1.79 shipped copper washers to arrive in mail. 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