X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=RZTu9Glv c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=uiWFakvDa7lx8AkR5Wbrfw==:117 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=ad1WmcueCrwA:10 a=nTHF0DUjJn0A:10 a=CjxXgO3LAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=UKPAHat8AAAA:8 a=jThZ7_-JAAAA:8 a=7pD42WC3rdMxFu3YoC0A:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=OJAZQCPpPQ8A:10 a=lrdWECfL8kW3S4-mWloA:9 a=FfOo3U_JyN_dlzHJ:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=Fc6xXSS-RxGHxrvp76Qp:22 a=NVbvhy2gKIdozzgvQOKv:22 From: "William Jepson wrjjrs@gmail.com" Received: from mail-lj1-f173.google.com ([209.85.208.173] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 330213 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 12:25:49 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.208.173; envelope-from=wrjjrs@gmail.com Received: by mail-lj1-f173.google.com with SMTP id s1so3549630ljo.0 for ; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 09:25:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=5hE0vO1Vg/w5adYQDEqMT4HXeBDP9xruMomIaZn/yC4=; b=iaKfYqHhrgHuk65WEy2z9OdYBV0zucpP41y//2/vhMR3h7RxElaX7LB8PgMzUA7e9f fr/rnzpyXXOpjjvde3iWRX61cKzFNuUFQNcwQl5H3gGouR2RdZItJhkN8QQ+WtoEZ2gy 1AZ3722cIK6W4eos+XiRFrRKMP/mlKoPQJvJsr9HhfT7Yai47/AdCr7Y2V0oGIUlC/Fx JPH6PZb0mcCAxqX326qA9benzocd6cylSMZgRIM6Ewf/AnBqVJKSGe6E2L6fcycTZLcw CYp55IeKumSwtDcFi3/Vk4FDCkGkoOOiAxDtMZPa2fmLPgtDetGs3WAwp8R9avwItMnE Z/rA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=5hE0vO1Vg/w5adYQDEqMT4HXeBDP9xruMomIaZn/yC4=; b=HnhcfZpao2Cgv/we81RlammXIHweTlyZeB8SCqwPyKL+lM62gBqH07HiIg2LfmfG+b HdF8ctrk+Y+awOqydpxyRqIPN/BQSnOeUQ0rtSED8GZkeEwbvj8aMHPKQXjWCC7IAh68 A/igj9ZUDrQQq0glGdizHWPLDBy/e149wRgDnqeQRvRvI6nkNkIrB8lZqTcClE7XEvQA d1rvVR0skovBtWBQYyuMZjJhUhFQDP2ErhelJ3xssbXGMI8HFtdj+r9oPAelWCfH5Dha tghpcIPao8/EOuJkGP/IEmis8Iuo8Dr12K0vd9CLILqx9s9BWTfSSDd3aH+wVb/kbUwX s4mg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM532Yo/e2OQy7MrQOxmOGuxoRWQntk3mY7EhmBPog1zI3BNLd1f2H 2kNaPPZJTMfkTj0OaZiTHoo/R3u3yau35UECEilWgUz1 X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJxJQPkZWIL2xfo5u+llPtCBBaPrd1yQFTRB+HF/4cGZ4Nh5JRT4S5JbpBe7RWVwzjIekVQ5ADk5bwlMwFgxnek= X-Received: by 2002:a2e:9159:: with SMTP id q25mr13429ljg.95.1591201531102; Wed, 03 Jun 2020 09:25:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 09:25:19 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Hello From Utah To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000070b1105a7307a5c" --000000000000070b1105a7307a5c Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ryan, I=E2=80=99m going to diagram the layout that the original Powersport found = the most successful. Bill On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 8:20 AM Ryan Hendrickson hendoii@yahoo.com < flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Bill, > I believe that it is the 2nd firewall forward that they produced. > The radiator is in the standard Powersport position back near the firewal= l > laying at about a 45 degree angle. The builder actually flew the airplan= e > for a couple hundred hours fairly successfully and we don't recall him > complaining of cooling issues. We are cleaning up the cooling system wit= h > hopes that it's a simple fix. It runs like a top, so hopefully we can ge= t > it flying reliably. > > Thanks, > Ryan > > On Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 03:44:43 PM MDT, William Jepson wrjjrs@gmail.co= m > wrote: > > > Ryan, > What position is your water radiator? How many sq/in? Do you have a cowl > photo? I can advise you as to the last iteration of the original Powerspo= rt > system. My guess is that you have one of two of the Wisconsin Powersport > complete systems. Their radiator position wasn=E2=80=99t the best. You mu= st also > baffle the cowl to prevent losses around the radiator. > Bill Jepson > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:16 PM Ryan Hendrickson hendoii@yahoo.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > Dave, > Thanks for the feedback. I can see how that could be a problem! > Fingers crossed that mine is an easier fix than that, but I will prepare > for the worst. Thanks for taking the time! I will let you all know how = it > acts after we install the water pump, clean and bleed the system. > > Kind Regards, > Ryan > > > > On Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 12:15:41 PM MDT, David Leonard > wdleonard@gmail.com wrote: > > > Hi Ryan, > > I hope you dont have the same issue that I did. When I first got my > engine running, I was using a "brand new" engine from Atkins rotary that > had been sittiing around for several years both before and after I > purchased it. > > When I first got it running, the coolant would quickly overheat, while th= e > radiator was not even warm to the touch. I fear you may have this issue > because you said you plan to replace water pump and re-purge. These were > also my initial steps. > > Unfortunately, it turns out that during the idle years, the cast iron sid= e > housings' coolant passages had rusted solid preventing the circulation of > coolant. > > I had to tear down the engine and replace the side housings. I really > hope this is not your issue, but if it is rest assured that it is not an > impossible job. It is just a couple months of tinkering and a modest > investment that dont amount to much in the long term. > > Best, > David Leonard > Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2020, 8:48 AM Ryan Hendrickson hendoii@yahoo.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > Bobby, > > It appears to be only a water temperature problem. The oil stays in > parameters. We are swapping the water pump and re-bleeding the system > today. > > Thanks > Ryan > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jun 2, 2020, at 8:31 AM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > =EF=BB=BF > > Ryan, > > > > We have a member of the group William Jepson that has some knowledge of > the Powersport PSRU and PP engine. Bill post here from time to time. Are > you coolant or oil cooling challenged? > > > > Bobby > > > > > > > > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] > *Sent:* Tuesday, June 02, 2020 9:20 AM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Hello From Utah > > > > > > All, > > > > My name is Ryan Hendrickson and I have an RV-8 running a Powersport > firewall forward setup out here in Utah. I purchased the plane from the > builder and a mentor of mine shortly before he went west. So > unfortunately, I don't have the benefit of his knowledge to help me tinke= r > on it. Finn has offered some guidance, but I thought it would helpful to > find anyone else out there running the Powersport design. > > > > The motor runs very well, but I am struggling to keep it cool. If I > succeed in solving the cooling issues, I would also love some advice on > building an exhaust. It is currently straight-piped off the header and i= t > is unbearably loud. That said, are there any Powersport aircraft out the= re > that are successfully flying? > > > > Thanks in Advance, > > Ryan > > > > > > > > *Disclaimer* > > The information contained in this communication from the sender is > confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others > authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby > notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in > relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and m= ay > be unlawful. > > This email has been scanned for viruses and malware, and may have been > automatically archived by *Mimecast Ltd*, an innovator in Software as a > Service (SaaS) for business. Providing a *safer* and *more useful* place > for your human generated data. Specializing in; Security, archiving and > compliance. 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Ryan,
I=E2=80=99m going= to diagram the layout that the original Powersport found the most successf= ul.
Bill

On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 8:20 AM Ryan Hen= drickson hendoii@yahoo.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= > wrote:
Bill,=C2=A0
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 = =C2=A0 I believe that it is the 2nd firewall forward that they produced.=C2= =A0 The radiator is in the standard Powersport position back near the firew= all laying at about a 45 degree angle.=C2=A0 The builder actually flew the = airplane for a couple hundred hours fairly successfully and we don't re= call him complaining of cooling issues.=C2=A0 We are cleaning up the coolin= g system with hopes that it's a simple fix.=C2=A0 It runs like a top, s= o hopefully we can get it flying reliably.

Thanks,
Ryan=C2=A0
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On Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 03:44:43 PM MDT, William Jeps= on wrjjrs@gmail.com<= /a> <f= lyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:


Ryan,=C2=A0
What position is your water= radiator? How many sq/in? Do you have a cowl photo? I can advise you as to= the last iteration of the original Powersport system. My guess is that you= have one of two of the Wisconsin Powersport complete systems. Their radiat= or position wasn=E2=80=99t the best. You must also baffle the cowl to preve= nt losses around the radiator.
Bill Jepson

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On Tue, Jun 2, 2020 at 2:16 PM Ryan Hendrickson hendoii@y= ahoo.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Dave,
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =C2=A0 =C2=A0Thanks for the feedback.=C2=A0 I can see how that could be a = problem!=C2=A0 Fingers crossed that mine is an easier fix than that,=C2=A0 = but I will prepare for the worst.=C2=A0 Thanks for taking the time!=C2=A0 I= will let you all know how it acts after we install the water pump, clean a= nd bleed the system.

Kin= d Regards,
Ryan=C2=A0=C2=A0
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On Tuesday, June 2, 2020, 12:15:41 PM MDT, David Leonar= d flyrotary@lancaironline.net> w= rote:


=C2=A0Hi Ryan,
I hope you dont have the same issue that I did.=C2=A0 W= hen I first got my engine running, I was using a "brand new" engi= ne from Atkins rotary that had been sittiing around for several years both = before and after I purchased it.

When I first go= t it running, the coolant would quickly overheat, while the radiator was no= t even warm to the touch.=C2=A0 I fear you may have this issue because you = said you plan to replace water pump and re-purge.=C2=A0 These were also my = initial steps.=C2=A0=C2=A0

Unfortunately, it tur= ns out that during the idle years, the cast iron side housings' coolant= passages had rusted solid preventing the circulation of coolant.
I had to tear down the engine and replace the side housin= gs.=C2=A0 I really hope this is not your issue, but if it is rest assured t= hat it is not an impossible job.=C2=A0 It is just a couple months of tinker= ing and a modest investment that dont amount to much in the long term.

Best,
David Leonard
Turbo Rota= ry RV-6=C2=A0 N4VY


On Tue, Jun 2, 2020= , 8:48 AM Ryan Hendrickson hendoii@yahoo.com <flyrotary@lancai= ronline.net> wrote:
Bobby,

It appears to be on= ly a water temperature problem. The oil stays in parameters.=C2=A0 We are s= wapping the water pump and re-bleeding the system today.=C2=A0
<= br>
Thanks=C2=A0
Ryan=C2=A0

= Sent from my iPhone

O= n Jun 2, 2020, at 8:31 AM, Bobby J. Hughes bhughes@qnsi.net <fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

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Ryan,

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We have a member of the group William Jeps= on that has some knowledge of the Powersport PSRU and PP engine. Bill post = here from time to time. Are you coolant or oil cooling challenged? =

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0My name is Ryan Hendrickson and I h= ave an RV-8 running a Powersport firewall forward setup out here in Utah.= =C2=A0 I purchased the plane from the builder and a mentor of mine shortly = before he went west.=C2=A0 So unfortunately, I don't have the benefit o= f his knowledge to help me tinker on it.=C2=A0 Finn has offered some guidan= ce, but I thought it would helpful to find anyone else out there running th= e Powersport design.=C2=A0

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=C2=A0 =C2=A0 The mot= or runs very well, but I am struggling to keep it cool.=C2=A0 If I succeed = in solving the cooling issues, I would also love some advice on building an= exhaust.=C2=A0 It is currently straight-piped off the header and it is unb= earably loud.=C2=A0 That said, are there any Powersport aircraft out there = that are successfully flying?

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