X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=YcLDGDZf c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=rVj9Nb+isxfWDAyQtyavpw==:117 a=4H5alVuVHBZEptcxbVi5ww==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=PrwMfdnp6WsA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=l697ptgUJYAA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=1IlZJK9HAAAA:8 a=OBS7UOprAAAA:20 a=i5JiQUPvAAAA:20 a=qNHfEig6AAAA:20 a=L8q9EnliAAAA:20 a=l7UmtemsmJ2avczkqLsA:9 a=FEaAzWyPp2_92Ngm:21 a=9BzneN2Q2251byx9:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=9URikYljg5cW0vB7L1UA:9 a=LESUy5Wu3Jb-rR1G:21 a=sYmLBYCeLU6MF9g6:21 a=63yFRifykG5LmauS:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=oJD61gEoyF4gH69-Jhd7:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=Ew2E2A-JSTLzCXPT_086:22 From: "Erik Snyman erik.snyman@bigpond.com" Received: from nsstlmta24p.bpe.bigpond.com ([203.38.21.24] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 13500083 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 17 Feb 2020 23:29:31 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.38.21.24; envelope-from=erik.snyman@bigpond.com Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.24.4]) by nsstlfep24p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20200218042912.HHQB5847.nsstlfep24p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:29:12 +1100 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrjeejgdejtdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfupfevtfgpvffgnffuvffttedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecugedttdenucenucfjughrpefvkfgjfhfugggtfghihfffsegrtdersgdtreejnecuhfhrohhmpefgrhhikhcuufhnhihmrghnuceovghrihhkrdhsnhihmhgrnhessghighhpohhnugdrtghomheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgohhoghhlvgdrtghomhenucfkphepuddtrddutddrvdegrdegpdduvddurddvudekrddurddvudehnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheplgdutddruddtrddvgedrgegnpdhinhgvthepuddtrddutddrvdegrdegpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepoegvrhhikhdrshhnhihmrghnsegsihhgphhonhgurdgtohhmqedprhgtphhtthhopeeofhhlhihrohhtrghrhieslhgrnhgtrghirhhonhhlihhnvgdrnhgvtheq X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 0 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from [10.10.24.4] (10.10.24.4) by smtp.telstra.com (5.8.418) id 5DF7006715CF453D for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:29:12 +1100 Received: from [121.218.1.215] by email.telstra.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:29:12 +1100 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: <2c4368eb.1a920.170568ea0b1.Webtop.100@bigpond.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Intake Plenum 13 B MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_237996_617896815.1582000152740" User-Agent: OWM Mail 3 X-SID: 100 X-Originating-IP: [121.218.1.215] Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 15:29:12 +1100 (AEDT) ------=_Part_237996_617896815.1582000152740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That`s great, thanks Le Roux. I would like to talk about the BD, too,=20 since mine is a t/d and will have a 470 on the nose (for now, anyway) Erik. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com"=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Tuesday, 18 Feb, 2020 At 2:46 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intake Plenum 13 B Erik: Building a Vision Ex the fuselage is so to speak finnished.The ex=20 version has a longer wingspan and more surface area on the rudder and=20 elevator.The longer wingspan compensates for "extra weight" so to speak. It is a plans build project with many building hours but at least i can=20 build, at my own budget and time. Planning to start building the wingspar still this summer season , nice=20 hot and dry weather in ZA Helped a friend on a =C2=A0BD4C project for 3 years and finished the projec= t=20 in 2012. It was the first project flying and completed in ZA of the BD 4 C=20 version. Very fast aircraft ( taildragger) and is a high time plane that controls=20 excellent in flight.But be warned difficult to land (taildragger=20 version) It will bite any pilot if there is a lack of concentration on=20 landing! We won the President's Trophy Airrace with it in 2014 and finnished 7 th=20 this year. It has a lycoming IO 390 in it (210 hp) think that a renesis will do=20 good as the BD have lots of space firewall forward. Will post some photos to you in person, don't know if the group is the=20 right place for it las i don't know the rules =C2=A0 Cheers=C2=A0 Sent from my iPhone Le Roux Breytenbach=C2=A0 On 18 Feb 2020, at 04:20, Erik Snyman erik.snyman@bigpond.com=20 wrote: =EF=BB=BF =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Le Roux, I hear you. To me, the p/u version also makes more sense. PL was so=20 against it, though, that I thought it`s not worth doing. What plane are you building? I am rebuilding a Bede BD4, and the rotary=20 is not off my menu.. I have a Conti io 470 for it, though. Regards, Erik in Oz. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com"=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Monday, 17 Feb, 2020 At 5:16 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intake Plenum 13 B =C2=A0IMG_6871.HEIC=20 =C2=A0IMG_6869.HEIC=20 =C2=A0IMG_6870.HEIC=20 Erik :The plugs up version suites me better as there is for me more=20 advantages than disadvantages. If the intake manifold stands upright, then the throttle body is just in=20 the right place, for the intake duct of the cowling and to make use of=20 the ram air effect and simplicity of placing the air filter. The hot exhaust exit, is in the middle under the engine, and with no=20 complex bends that must passes the engine mount spaceframe. The exhaust=20 exits the cowling on the same way than any other aircraft engine like=20 lycoming or continental. The oil cooler sits under the psru as in the normal version , and the=20 air passes through the oil cooler, helps with the removing of the=20 radiant heat of the exhaust as it is in the middle right behind the oil=20 cooler. The radiator can be side mount co-pilot side as there is enough space=20 due to the side sump. The gravity feed of oil that flows back to the side sump is in any way=20 the same as in a normal version. I think that I don`t have to =E2=80=9Cinvent the wheel=E2=80=9D as it was b= een done=20 before by a genius builder. As Lynn E Hanover always says and I quote: I could be wrong! Le Roux Breytenbach On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 4:00 AM Erik Snyman erik.snyman@bigpond.com=20 > wrote: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hello Le Roux Beautiful work. I find it interesting that you chose to do the plugs-up=20 version. Any particular reason? Erik in Oz. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com=20 " > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: Sunday, 16 Feb, 2020 At 8:46 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Intake Plenum 13 B =EF=BB=BFCompleted the intake manifold for my 13B "plugs up" mount. Adjustable for the best performance (18 - 24 inch) then can be locked by=20 silicone 50 mm hose Next step to place the 4 injectors on the 44 mm intake runners. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Pn3iWOamh-KfVfaHtgaUg5HGT8dZSIpZ/view?usp= =3Ddrivesdk=20 Sent from my iPhone Le Roux Breytenbach=C2=A0 South Africa ------=_Part_237996_617896815.1582000152740 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That`s great, thanks Le Roux. I would like to t= alk about the BD, too, since mine is a t/d and will have a 470 on the nose = (for now, anyway)
Erik.


------ Original Message ------
From: "Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachle= roux@gmail.com" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "Rotary motors i= n aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Tuesday, 18 Feb, 2= 020 At 2:46 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intake Plenum 13 B

Erik: = Building a Vision Ex the fuselage is so to speak finnished.The ex version h= as a longer wingspan and more surface area on the rudder and elevator.The l= onger wingspan compensates for "extra weight" so to speak.
It is a plan= s build project with many building hours but at least i can build, at my ow= n budget and time.
Planning to start building the wingspar still th= is summer season , nice hot and dry weather in ZA

= Helped a friend on a  BD4C project for 3 years and finished the projec= t in 2012.
It was the first project flying and completed in ZA of= the BD 4 C version.
Very fast aircraft ( taildragger) and is a h= igh time plane that controls excellent in flight.But be warned difficult to= land (taildragger version) It will bite any pilot if there is a lack of co= ncentration on landing!
We won the President's Trophy Airrace wit= h it in 2014 and finnished 7 th this year.
It has a lycoming IO 3= 90 in it (210 hp) think that a renesis will do good as the BD have lots of = space firewall forward.
Will post some photos to you in person, d= on't know if the group is the right place for it las i don't know the rules=  


Cheers 

=
Sent from my iPhone
Le Roux Breytenbach 

=
On 18 Feb 2020, at 04:20, Erik Snyman = erik.snyman@bigpond.com <fl= yrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

=EF=BB=BF    
Le Roux,
I hear you. To me, the p/u version also makes more sense. PL was so= against it, though, that I thought it`s not worth doing.

What plane are you building? I am rebuilding a Bede BD4, and the rotary i= s not off my menu.. I have a Conti io 470 for it, though.

Regards,

Erik in Oz.



------ Original Message ------
From: "Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com" <= ;flyrotary@lancaironline.net&g= t;
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotar= y@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, 17 Feb, 2020 A= t 5:16 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intake Plenum 13 B


 IMG_6871.HEIC

 IMG_686= 9.HEIC

 IMG_6870.HEIC
Erik :The plugs up version suites me better as there is for me mo= re advantages than disadvantages.

If the intake manifold stands upri= ght, then the throttle body is just in the right place, for the intake duct= of the cowling and to make use of the ram air effect and simplicity of pla= cing the air filter.

The hot exhaust exit, is in the middle under th= e engine, and with no complex bends that must passes the engine mount space= frame. The exhaust exits the cowling on the same way than any other aircraf= t engine like lycoming or continental.

The oil cooler sits under the= psru as in the normal version , and the air passes through the oil cooler,= helps with the removing of the radiant heat of the exhaust as it is in the= middle right behind the oil cooler.

The radiator can be side mount = co-pilot side as there is enough space due to the side sump.

The gra= vity feed of oil that flows back to the side sump is in any way the same as= in a normal version.

I think that I don`t have to =E2=80=9Cinvent t= he wheel=E2=80=9D as it was been done before by a genius builder.

As= Lynn E Hanover always says and I quote: I could be wrong!

Le Roux B= reytenbach


On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 4:00 AM Erik Snyman erik.= snyman@bigpond.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= > wrote:
   
Hello Le Roux

Beautiful work. I find it interesting that you chose to do the plugs-= up version. Any particular reason?

Erik in Oz.
=


------ Original Message ------
F= rom: "Le Roux Breytenbach breytenba= chleroux@gmail.com" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Sunday, 16 Feb, 2020 At 8:= 46 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Intake Plenum 13 B

=EF=BB=BFCompleted the intake manifold for my 13B "plugs up" mount.
Adjustable for the best performance (18 - 24 inch) then can be locked by s= ilicone 50 mm hose
Next step to place the 4 injectors on th= e 44 mm intake runners.


<= /div>
Sent from my iPhone
Le Roux Breytenbach 
South= Africa
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