X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=eLZtc0h1 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=4O0FlCpX9KYdhYCvc8VUtg==:117 a=4H5alVuVHBZEptcxbVi5ww==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=PrwMfdnp6WsA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=l697ptgUJYAA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=OBS7UOprAAAA:20 a=i5JiQUPvAAAA:20 a=qNHfEig6AAAA:20 a=1IlZJK9HAAAA:8 a=L8q9EnliAAAA:20 a=ykVrWnpvdTACkGzqcUcA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=SSmOFEACAAAA:8 a=nOfON1PeAAAA:20 a=BsULWVD1UJMnq5XpxWUA:9 a=YLqWJTGzA5GjXkAO:21 a=_W_S_7VecoQA:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=oJD61gEoyF4gH69-Jhd7:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=n87TN5wuljxrRezIQYnT:22 From: "Erik Snyman erik.snyman@bigpond.com" Received: from nsstlmta37p.bpe.bigpond.com ([203.38.21.37] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 13492168 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 17 Feb 2020 20:59:43 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=203.38.21.37; envelope-from=erik.snyman@bigpond.com Received: from smtp.telstra.com ([10.10.24.4]) by nsstlfep37p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au with ESMTP id <20200218015924.CLZL6095.nsstlfep37p-svc.bpe.nexus.telstra.com.au@smtp.telstra.com> for ; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 12:59:24 +1100 X-RG-Spam: Unknown X-RazorGate-Vade: gggruggvucftvghtrhhoucdtuddrgedugedrjeejgdegtdcutefuodetggdotefrodftvfcurfhrohhfihhlvgemucfupfevtfgpvffgnffuvffttedpqfgfvfenuceurghilhhouhhtmecugedttdenucgoufhushhpvggtthfkmhhgffhomhgrihhnucdlfedtmdenucfjughrpefvkfgjfhfugggtfghihfffsegrtdersgdtreejnecuhfhrohhmpefgrhhikhcuufhnhihmrghnuceovghrihhkrdhsnhihmhgrnhessghighhpohhnugdrtghomheqnecuffhomhgrihhnpehgohhoghhlvgdrtghomhenucfkphepuddtrddutddrvdegrdegpdduvddurddvudekrddurddvudehnecuvehluhhsthgvrhfuihiivgeptdenucfrrghrrghmpehhvghloheplgdutddruddtrddvgedrgegnpdhinhgvthepuddtrddutddrvdegrdegpdhmrghilhhfrhhomhepoegvrhhikhdrshhnhihmrghnsegsihhgphhonhgurdgtohhmqedprhgtphhtthhopeeofhhlhihrohhtrghrhieslhgrnhgtrghirhhonhhlihhnvgdrnhgvtheq X-RazorGate-Vade-Verdict: clean 30 X-RazorGate-Vade-Classification: clean X-RG-VS-CLASS: clean Received: from [10.10.24.4] (10.10.24.4) by smtp.telstra.com (5.8.418) id 5DF6FFDE15D64C7A for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 12:59:24 +1100 Received: from [121.218.1.215] by email.telstra.com with HTTP; Tue, 18 Feb 2020 12:59:24 +1100 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: <5b81e5f9.1a404.170560579e5.Webtop.100@bigpond.com> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Intake Plenum 13 B MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_235082_1501562101.1581991164346" User-Agent: OWM Mail 3 X-SID: 100 X-Originating-IP: [121.218.1.215] Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2020 12:59:24 +1100 (AEDT) ------=_Part_235082_1501562101.1581991164346 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Le Roux, I hear you. To me, the p/u version also makes more sense. PL was so=20 against it, though, that I thought it`s not worth doing. What plane are you building? I am rebuilding a Bede BD4, and the rotary=20 is not off my menu.. I have a Conti io 470 for it, though. Regards, Erik in Oz. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com"=20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" Sent: Monday, 17 Feb, 2020 At 5:16 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intake Plenum 13 B =C2=A0IMG_6871.HEIC=20 =C2=A0IMG_6869.HEIC=20 =C2=A0IMG_6870.HEIC=20 Erik :The plugs up version suites me better as there is for me more=20 advantages than disadvantages. If the intake manifold stands upright, then the throttle body is just in=20 the right place, for the intake duct of the cowling and to make use of=20 the ram air effect and simplicity of placing the air filter. The hot exhaust exit, is in the middle under the engine, and with no=20 complex bends that must passes the engine mount spaceframe. The exhaust=20 exits the cowling on the same way than any other aircraft engine like=20 lycoming or continental. The oil cooler sits under the psru as in the normal version , and the=20 air passes through the oil cooler, helps with the removing of the=20 radiant heat of the exhaust as it is in the middle right behind the oil=20 cooler. The radiator can be side mount co-pilot side as there is enough space=20 due to the side sump. The gravity feed of oil that flows back to the side sump is in any way=20 the same as in a normal version. I think that I don`t have to =E2=80=9Cinvent the wheel=E2=80=9D as it was b= een done=20 before by a genius builder. As Lynn E Hanover always says and I quote: I could be wrong! Le Roux Breytenbach On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 4:00 AM Erik Snyman erik.snyman@bigpond.com=20 > wrote: =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Hello Le Roux Beautiful work. I find it interesting that you chose to do the plugs-up=20 version. Any particular reason? Erik in Oz. ------ Original Message ------ From: "Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com=20 " > To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" > Sent: Sunday, 16 Feb, 2020 At 8:46 PM Subject: [FlyRotary] Intake Plenum 13 B =EF=BB=BFCompleted the intake manifold for my 13B "plugs up" mount. Adjustable for the best performance (18 - 24 inch) then can be locked by=20 silicone 50 mm hose Next step to place the 4 injectors on the 44 mm intake runners. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1Pn3iWOamh-KfVfaHtgaUg5HGT8dZSIpZ/view?usp= =3Ddrivesdk=20 Sent from my iPhone Le Roux Breytenbach=C2=A0 South Africa ------=_Part_235082_1501562101.1581991164346 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Le Roux,

I hear you. T= o me, the p/u version also makes more sense. PL was so against it, though, = that I thought it`s not worth doing.

What plane are you = building? I am rebuilding a Bede BD4, and the rotary is not off my menu.. I= have a Conti io 470 for it, though.

Regards,
<= div>
Erik in Oz.


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------ Original Message ------
From: "Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbac= hleroux@gmail.com" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: "Rotary motor= s in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Monday, 17 Feb,= 2020 At 5:16 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Intake Plenum 13 B


 IMG_6871.HEIC

 IMG_6869.HEIC

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=  IMG_6870.HEIC

Erik :The plugs up version suites m= e better as there is for me more advantages than disadvantages.

If t= he intake manifold stands upright, then the throttle body is just in the ri= ght place, for the intake duct of the cowling and to make use of the ram ai= r effect and simplicity of placing the air filter.

The hot exhaust e= xit, is in the middle under the engine, and with no complex bends that must= passes the engine mount spaceframe. The exhaust exits the cowling on the s= ame way than any other aircraft engine like lycoming or continental.
The oil cooler sits under the psru as in the normal version , and the air = passes through the oil cooler, helps with the removing of the radiant heat = of the exhaust as it is in the middle right behind the oil cooler.

T= he radiator can be side mount co-pilot side as there is enough space due to= the side sump.

The gravity feed of oil that flows back to the side = sump is in any way the same as in a normal version.

I think that I d= on`t have to =E2=80=9Cinvent the wheel=E2=80=9D as it was been done before = by a genius builder.

As Lynn E Hanover always says and I quote: I co= uld be wrong!

Le Roux Breytenbach


On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 4:00 AM Erik = Snyman = erik.snyman@bigpond.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t> wrote:
   
Hello Le Roux=

Beautiful work. I find it interesting that you chose to= do the plugs-up version. Any particular reason?

E= rik in Oz.



------ Original Messa= ge ------
From: "Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gm= ail.com" <flyrotary@lancaironline= .net>
To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Se= nt: Sunday, 16 Feb, 2020 At 8:46 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Intake Plenum 1= 3 B

=EF=BB=BFCompleted the intake manifold for my 13B "pl= ugs up" mount.
Adjustable for the best performance (18 - 24= inch) then can be locked by silicone 50 mm hose
Next step = to place the 4 injectors on the 44 mm intake runners.
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