X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=H+OlPNQi c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=NAjwnhkvCoi7EVVSnWxE5A==:117 a=55z/sxGcUIPVrBMYBb4HRw==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=_Z_nqdSeG58A:10 a=MeAgGD-zjQ4A:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=5yi59JIVwa0KwUqGCFkA:9 a=KuNh_uZ-MBTeVN_P:21 a=FFlmM9pqP8QgR8Zu:21 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=Ew2E2A-JSTLzCXPT_086:22 From: "Neil Unger 12348ung@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pf1-f174.google.com ([209.85.210.174] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 13137055 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 03 Nov 2019 15:34:23 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.174; envelope-from=12348ung@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf1-f174.google.com with SMTP id d13so10738270pfq.2 for ; Sun, 03 Nov 2019 12:34:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=subject:to:references:from:message-id:date:user-agent:mime-version :in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding:content-language; bh=hJS2rQgTo1IIgGFy+I16AsJyQHA1S8aba88yXlUeH5Q=; b=TDmYvfe2b9UI0IyMOv/0wjEwLN4qPKnu/f7W2xyWv2HuJQGXz7yNpWAYGwGQ/Tq1A8 W/0cm7SVWZrvzymZEOOXpjbSs2m8aI6BcQnvsRPa6VpdxSLptya0KVOxYcR3nMKePAS8 eqGRLGsIq1zZwm8n3KpB/rqkwGqQPOp8NPIrbW4butk0xu7RLseeTJyXZ+UPLDfmIiKl NChC0mIxpDtLFy3Fnasuxi1lz798L0MWRnungoJbUIWcVsa6yB5eqtwYs2Uj9iA7tuOR ko5yy96suEuHJOVJ0+9SjXpPduui3A0tw+hWNb7wjsn0xk+TtmtzcdmaxZykVIEikN/f qZzg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:subject:to:references:from:message-id:date :user-agent:mime-version:in-reply-to:content-transfer-encoding :content-language; bh=hJS2rQgTo1IIgGFy+I16AsJyQHA1S8aba88yXlUeH5Q=; b=r2B7+4AkPrhlvitIFq5VUZJwXJDALBnnb4D452VMb5DjtrLV9q5KK6js5dl5b6EB4a jV53yVCAyGcJdceRDUeQuuya7NmojD/xdmF8Dkn1d1p266PqiacY/DRaY6Enw4GIVDn8 u0DQav1/6UR2Uq0EnmC7YQze+56evax7dc80GNLiXTC28zCCQF1VAIl3u43VbOanrOqd LP9TGEIeN0JKxK1Z8uiuh04ifHqH0aNdlryqx56neC7nIESoiaxsVGx0g+ioiLUWIMDr 5f4GU+q1DgZzrBB/W6nZv3k33AMg12Iw6y6cYvSAAHD7q0LEKEmwcmAcN/35GAUQCBqW GSsg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWfsMnI3tyEbfYRxeZIIDgUrkkTjO3ove6UVIn9m82S5knGL2xI 6xfIzBo1/cM5klgBje8xdshszXxf X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqy4Z/tYXVobg8sOcfgId1pcrwkTaIYB2HgE5NDVArfo7oudWljmDiIw0VJenMOeuXwbuERIJQ== X-Received: by 2002:a63:2042:: with SMTP id r2mr26466797pgm.32.1572813245661; Sun, 03 Nov 2019 12:34:05 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: <12348ung@gmail.com> Received: from [192.168.0.106] ([103.198.24.78]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id a21sm11598207pjq.1.2019.11.03.12.34.03 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 03 Nov 2019 12:34:04 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Update on Glasair Cooling in Phase #1 To: Rotary motors in aircraft References: Message-ID: <7206f850-ff9d-5b9d-d97d-e44d3ce8da25@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 4 Nov 2019 07:34:00 +1100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Content-Language: en-US Steve,                    Oil is quite happy at 95 c and higher, but cruise temp at 90 - 95 are no problem.. Most thermostats hold engine 90 to 95 degrees.  Neil. On 11/4/2019 12:20 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com wrote: > Hi there people > > Over the past month I have updated the cooling system of the Glasair Super II RG in order to continue our phase 1 testing. > > The previous setup had 540in3 two pass behind the ~20in2 unmodified right cheek inlet. > We hadn’t included the left cheek as it was so difficult to get the air across to the right hand side diffuser. > The Oil is 250in3 behind a 8in2 under spinner inlet. > Initial testing was marginal with OAT below 20C (68F) > So having established that cooling was rather marginal above 68F I went for the planned upgrade path which included > installing a secondary bike radiator of 130in3 plumbed into the heater circuit behind the ~15in2 left cheek inlet. > The diffuser was designed to hopefully be more efficient in a climb configuration. > So the total radiators frontal area has been increased by 50% while the air in has increased 75%. > The unknown is that being in the heater circuit we don't know the total flow through the secondary rad compared with the primary rad. > > Testing on the ground yield an approx 15-20C drop in coolant after 30mins of 1800rpm idle. > > Flight Testing Results the next day: OAT 21C (70F) > Coolant Temps max’d on climb at 93C (200F) down 15C on highest Flight 3 climb temp with a 4C higher OAT. > Coolant Temps dropped to 83C (181F) as speed got to 147 KIAS (Cruise is published as 192 KIAS but we haven’t expanded the envelope to date) > I’m very pleased with this result. > > Oil Temps are high. I would much prefer them below 80C (176F) > I’ll be interested to see what oil temp does as speed rises, but my hunch is it needs more air (increase air to oil cooler from a diameter of 77mm to 100mm) > > Slow Speed Tests: > Vs Clean Stall is at 67 KIAS row 2011 (Glasair claims 70 Knots at Gross) > Vso Full Flap Stall is at 57 KIAS row 2062 & 2083 (Glasair claims 59 Knots at Gross) > > Cheers > > Steve Izett > Perth Western Australia > > > > > > > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html