X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=G+5i7Os5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=2tOgoP+HbBZfdd6ybCl50g==:117 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=K7ySfSCCDxUA:10 a=XobE76Q3jBoA:10 a=3oc9M9_CAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=_EeEMxcBAAAA:8 a=on22okXAAAAA:8 a=x-75qrxFAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=ZOava051Bp-tZFXyw4IA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=4dD1_qPv2cwA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=xDOOTrvONMwA:10 a=5UeK9suJl1gA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=F3iAlipqRtS6sqNh6LYA:9 a=lDNl2lIEhZKvKMjIUR5gOGDH5rM=:19 a=xCWLP373xwQ8FfcA:21 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=syqr5EOPB93U0NEwqYpB:22 a=NPqpj5bUEVj9vR1HIonK:22 a=pSfGKr4syse1NfsQC3dY:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 From: "Matt Boiteau mattboiteau@gmail.com" Received: from mail-yb1-f181.google.com ([209.85.219.181] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 13024177 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 02 Oct 2019 22:30:31 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.219.181; envelope-from=mattboiteau@gmail.com Received: by mail-yb1-f181.google.com with SMTP id h202so384359ybg.13 for ; Wed, 02 Oct 2019 19:30:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=US6Pv9MucWYtheBT5NBgiMBdXBBDktnGCmZKFny6r3E=; b=aNSddCPYpvbe10vNJoOVzQJKD86FUIMtLNRZ8ktfnNR+/MKAJF18cXdF8Blxxp7ZoB e4Ze1T4lG/6jBZV6N4vShXQ3+cMsV2JRqvxYJFOrmTfY+0frQ1jQTpfM8u6YIfXH2BI0 u92XHSyXFSav3H95HpiJD6PJ2DLVpc7UO3l4dX7sKo4Tc535Qfv3uNyMANQNpENVGsDf 6ISOsrSaBWp263bx2gZxBZSjfFnhrOXA7m7xmkG4ZQQexYk/Weer0kP+yv6MLQv1a0Kz K4KBZtzjAC+rGOuXwS0yt7CLkbBoqgiunaMfqrc1t9LFJq41jzRoYAkjtGtwAT69I/2a dTFg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=US6Pv9MucWYtheBT5NBgiMBdXBBDktnGCmZKFny6r3E=; b=cUEIw9UqIDxE0qhPKVnZwxy6ScHAIUxEH7AoVJOsLJ1vpcifFuQVGwk1Eo+fitZ7im RDltYjLyE0NXhFLJyIbNzV3/3x9fDwlrW7t3RbEk6UwuLUf3gye1bMCEJzxBrs9fBxyq 5wC3AaD+cqoBlw8tD9O+YWDB2b9M1UYy2KJXPBBO2mU1PmcNH3LOhsoDkF8ICkoAetKn IqaMNe4mfECxWu8acMmGSDeazHz6btUae37FsKuCC1qzpyzpPRKXDszIYFhr/FtC+Oid cmbWFrVuEJO79jImos1KGmQU3bnKgLu9mdgdEitCGFsddT8YOay02rs5YR8hmHLEDlGq Eusg== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWpFDKxljc8v/yvhd8TyQHhYETpcSAOUTmdVSSIqx7edUCqKZYt udGJja27VL5IB7rHQMc6teNHD2nA/gS3Agu1jsQwFgeF X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxG8EfrWhNz+8vTOIzpgb73pJw0Z7UGZlhytk9WCe8POoAuYxOLrP/5nqe634a4jyMCKYa9WKkI038iYBg7GvE= X-Received: by 2002:a25:6892:: with SMTP id d140mr4380630ybc.216.1570069815202; Wed, 02 Oct 2019 19:30:15 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2019 22:30:06 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Rebuilt and stuck apex seal To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000009b97820593f85de3" --0000000000009b97820593f85de3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I've heard from many people that vaseline swells up the orings. Never tried it myself though. So I think I'm going to get the 4 port engine and just use the rotors out of it in my housings. This will get me going the quickest. - Matt Boiteau On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 22:14 argoldman@aol.com wrote: > or Vaseline > > Rich > > In a message dated 10/2/2019 8:27:47 PM Central Standard Time, > flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: > > Williston, FL > 32696 > > Only until the 13th, then I'll head back home to Canada. > > Thanks Lynn for the details. I'm getting sick of cleaning Hylmor on the > orings, so I may scrape it next. I found Crisco works very well on the > rotors to keep things in place. > > - Matt Boiteau > > On 2019-10-02 8:42:25 PM, Rob McMillan robmcmillanpls@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Matt, where are you located? > > On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 2:35 PM Matt Boiteau mattboiteau@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > > The corner seal broke in 2, and the center button took a spin out. Not > sure what happen when rebuilding it. Took time and everything went together > well. Apex seals are all good, rotor housing and iron look fine. > > 2008 rx8 auto 6 port were covered with Devcon steel putty. Not completely > flush to iron surface, left indented 1/8" down. > > I think I'm going to get a used JDM 4port engine and re-use the front\rear > rotors and counter balance only. Keep my highpower eshaft (if there is > even a different in eshafts between 6port and 4port). I may have to press > in new rotor bearings for the high power (yellows) Lots to think about. > > - Matt Boiteau > > On 2019-10-02 3:56:56 PM, Le Roux Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com > wrote: > Hi Matt- Sorry to hear about your problems.You said that the front rotar > is toast.Can you be more specific in the looks of the front rotar please. > You mentioned that you have a p port intake.The old side intakes in the > centre and end plates did you fill it up with some sort of fillermaterial? > > Get Outlook for iOS > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Rotary motors in aircraft on behalf > of Matt Boiteau mattboiteau@gmail.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, October 2, 2019 6:59 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Rebuilt and stuck apex seal > > It was from the Rotary Aviation master rebuild kit for RX8, so OEM 2 > piece. Not sure if I re-installed it wrong or put in the wrong side seal, > or if it was weak from the overheating previously. Not sure, lots of > different reasons why it could of happened. > > Looking at getting rid of the RA super seals and going back to stock OEM > apex seals and side seals by the letter instead of cutting them. Only need > 1 rotor, but by the time you add everything up, it's almost cheaper to buy > an engine and just re-use the rotors. > > - Matt Boiteau > > On 2019-10-02 8:49:31 AM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com < > flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote: > Hi Matt. > Sorry to hear of your setback. > I to would have been flying many years ago If had gone the Lyc path. > But I am finally in Phase 1 after 13 years and its looking good. > > Cheers > > Steve > > > On 2 Oct 2019, at 7:57 pm, Jeff Whaley jwhaley@datacast.com wrote: > > > > Hi Matt, sorry to hear about your troubles and the broken corner seal. > Was it the "solid" type or the one with a rubber insert? > > I went the solid type from Atkins Rotary on my last rebuild. > https://www.atkinsrotary.com/store/86-95-Rx7-2mm-Solid-Corner-Seal-Set-ARE88.html > > Jeff > > > > Corner seal broke in two. Rotor housing looks good, apex seals look > good, but front rotor is toast. I could of been flying a few years ago, if > I didn't go down this Rotary path.... > > > > - Matt Boiteau > > > > > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > --0000000000009b97820593f85de3 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I've heard from many people that vaseline swells= up the orings. Never tried it myself though.


So I think I'm going = to get the 4 port engine and just use the rotors out of it in my housings. = This will get me going the quickest.

- Matt Boiteau

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 22:1= 4 argoldman@aol.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wr= ote:
or Vaseline

Rich

In a message dated 10/2/2019 8:27:47 PM Central Standard Time, fly= rotary@lancaironline.net writes:

Williston, FL
32696<= br>
Only until the 13th, then I'll head back home to Canada.=C2=A0

Thanks Lynn for the details. I'm getting sick of cleaning Hylmor o= n the orings, so I may scrape it next. I found Crisco works very well on th= e rotors to keep things in place.

- Matt Boiteau

On 2019-10-02 8:42:25 PM, Rob Mc= Millan robmcmillanpls@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Matt, where are=C2=A0you located?

On Wed, Oct 2, 2019, 2:35 PM Matt Boiteau mattboiteau@gmail.com <flyrotary= @lancaironline.net> wrote:
The corner seal broke in 2, and the cente= r button took a spin out. Not sure what happen when rebuilding it. Took tim= e and everything went together well. Apex seals are all good, rotor housing= and iron look fine.

2008 rx8 auto 6 por= t were covered with Devcon steel putty. Not completely flush to iron surfac= e, left indented 1/8" down.

I think I'm going to get a use= d JDM 4port engine and re-use the front\rear rotors and counter=C2=A0balance=C2=A0only. Keep my highpower=C2=A0eshaft (if = there is even a different in eshafts between 6port and 4port). I may have t= o press in new rotor bearings for the high power (yellows) Lots to think ab= out.

- Matt Boiteau

On 2019-10-02 3:56:56 PM, Le Rou= x Breytenbach breytenbachleroux@gmail.com = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:=

Hi Matt- Sorry to hear about your problems.You= said that the front rotar is toast.Can you be more specific in the looks o= f the front rotar please.
You mentioned that you have a p port intake.Th= e old side intakes in the centre and end plates did you fill it up with som= e sort of fillermaterial?


From: Rotary motors in aircraft = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> on beh= alf of Matt Boiteau mattboiteau@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
S= ent: Wednesday, October 2, 2019 6:59 PM
To: Ro= tary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Rebuil= t and stuck apex seal

It= was from the Rotary Aviation master rebuild kit for RX8, so OEM 2 piece. N= ot sure if I re-installed it wrong or put in the wrong side seal, or if it = was weak from the overheating previously. Not sure, lots of different reaso= ns why it could of happened.

Looking at getting rid of the RA super = seals and going back to stock OEM apex seals and side seals by the letter i= nstead of cutting them. Only need 1 rotor, but by the time you add everythi= ng up, it's almost cheaper to buy an engine and just re-use the rotors.

- Matt Boiteau

On 2019-10-02 8:49:31 AM, Stephe= n Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Hi Matt.
Sorry to= hear of your setback.
I to would have been flying many years ago If ha= d gone the Lyc path.
But I am finally in Phase 1 after 13 years and its= looking good.

Cheers

Steve

> On 2 Oct 2019, at = 7:57 pm, Jeff Whaley jwhaley@datacast.com wrote: =
>
> Hi Matt, sorry to hear about your troubles and the broken= corner seal. Was it the "solid" type or the one with a rubber in= sert?
> I went the solid type from Atkins Rotary on my last rebuild.= https://www.atkinsrotary.com/store/86-95-Rx7-2mm-Solid-Corner-Seal-Set-AR= E88.html
> Jeff
>
> Corner seal broke in two. Roto= r housing looks good, apex seals look good, but front rotor is toast. I cou= ld of been flying a few years ago, if I didn't go down this Rotary path= ....
>
> - Matt Boiteau
>
>
>
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> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/
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