X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.3 cv=G+5i7Os5 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=fRobNB4176/1vJkX6jXp/g==:117 a=giTZFnVYD3vrPZSypR22jQ==:17 a=jpOVt7BSZ2e4Z31A5e1TngXxSK0=:19 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=CKeqCrOqW6IA:10 a=J70Eh1EUuV4A:10 a=on22okXAAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=7g1VtSJxAAAA:8 a=WD_ZyYKB-voz2_i_wP4A:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 a=Qa1je4BO31QA:10 a=gvSQh4r-fQ0A:10 a=NPqpj5bUEVj9vR1HIonK:22 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 a=grOzbf7U_OpcSX4AJOnl:22 a=pHzHmUro8NiASowvMSCR:22 a=n87TN5wuljxrRezIQYnT:22 From: "Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pf1-f170.google.com ([209.85.210.170] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.14) with ESMTPS id 12988513 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 09:02:40 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.210.170; envelope-from=stephen.izett@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf1-f170.google.com with SMTP id v4so1347681pff.6 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 06:02:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=SvU475u5nVFFkbEMuKe6nlk8Ij4ap1EvwS+/4/1g+uo=; b=NYglef01eykpm8RZ76w2rp9NT2t7m2YqopWnSLGdkep7bKBVJjfWsT39FBMTmsQejo ehutTUraiz9EoD7KOcIRiAJ8Qwi81H3yRAZknYyRevnmyauLRbLeLg5CpIldP+sNxQ9T 3yIKpilwk2hzSJO8iCnH4DzB3IculbV0iCKtHrIC4KDmXeZYycPUit31jdvmZ7k+6m35 eeBJZEO1b1o0lK9437oDMYdkuYo7/0I1L0ImKq7mwI8NZ7Ul/TpQaCFtmKdT0Qfbz1Eg sdrvqeBOjIRnRFTm/J06cim8uM2spzQZYKItJVY1DYBvFeitXHb1nyozh3BTsGAOPVrC QGLQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=SvU475u5nVFFkbEMuKe6nlk8Ij4ap1EvwS+/4/1g+uo=; b=oqkqoqLDbEN+UHO1AETvMhhyhH9nn4t2d6CN7uf6epaiYDUfN7vzptjlWReAzrbeFu jpvzFnkDc75AwLzSTPN1NdAsv5g/0+YQ3UtG1jwuJ8MZiXO9TZpzj0k7VsDJEVOVhw+L zfjKMOXVvRSVJ52KEuMROWuAH+tiDGei+whsYsSkOEwlbqRrBaBM17yaXa9rNQD+wB5V B3sTw0ebua2RsYJgWH5KQtFQ3vp+MXXboPQtzW+3/eVkPKRXybHjksYcN5ULv0BJUr5t jg0A5jXpiTx3J1dCM4hejZrLrhwr36lp7P8mE8+jYX/CFP9DnvUzuBgRHPLnVwGKLkV8 yUOw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAU9zd7zsFkvJrZFYhP0n9TfIbR07Co0pgJpcK2jj+Dl7iAaO2qr Kah0XsMkbFZTUrrJLjUkWzSNGVhM X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzLTpU4WsBxVeuhwOj6Mo9LZd2qMkf53U6kMzL18si35PNxFbQyV9aYb5VlkkfSWSB7eaaodA== X-Received: by 2002:a63:2405:: with SMTP id k5mr2900993pgk.352.1569330142307; Tue, 24 Sep 2019 06:02:22 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from macbook-pro.lan ([118.208.179.27]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 127sm3850520pfw.6.2019.09.24.06.02.20 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 24 Sep 2019 06:02:21 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.11\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: The effects of OAT on cooling Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2019 21:02:18 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <68A53516-A6EF-4E52-A0F1-444C4890BB50@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.11) Thanks so much Jeff for the information you provided. Very helpful. Cheers Steve > On 24 Sep 2019, at 8:39 pm, Jeff Whaley jwhaley@datacast.com = wrote: >=20 > Steve, my experience says it is 100% linear ** inside the normal = operating range **. If there is no way to control airflow through your = coolers and you fly at the same airspeed, same power setting, same = mixture setting, then your engine temperatures will be directly = controlled by OAT - if your engine runs at 160F with OAT at 60F it will = be 180F when OAT is 80F - or at least you had better plan for that. > Now, there may be some slight non-linearization with high humidity and = at engine temperatures you don't want to run at; i.e., if your engine is = already running at 230F (I sure hope not) and the OAT increases by a few = degrees there may be non-linear transfer at this point. If my engine = gets above 210F it's time to back off the throttle - I find every inch = drop of MP reduces the engine temps by about 5F. > One day after cruising for an hour at 185F I noticed the water temp = had spiked up to 195F - I thought something was wrong - I was about 30 = miles from destination with few alternate options, so continued on and = landed. ... but here I was, with my wife about 150 miles from home - = what to do? I did a precautionary climb over the airfield using water = spray for the climb to 5500 feet; as long as I sprayed water on the = radiator the temp stayed around 180F if not it would creep back up to = about 195F - I backed off the throttle 1" MP at a time from 22" down to = 19" until the temperature settled around 180F and limped back home with = a tailwind. As it turned out I had just flown into an area of warmer = air ... and learned a few lessons that day. > Jeff >=20 > Hi Guys >=20 > Can anyone confirm the relationship between cooling at various OAT's = and humidity. > Paul Lamar says that cooling capacity drops 1% for every increase in = OAT in degree F. > It makes sense that any reduction in Delta T reduces the heat = exchanged but by how much. > But what does this mean in actual temps?=20 > Say we fly exactly the same plan on two seperate days. > On one day the OAT is 65F and the other 86F - 20F difference. > Let's say we don't have a thermostat or cowl flaps in operation. What = will the difference in coolant and oil temps be for the two flights? > Will they simply increase by the 20F? I didn't imagine the correlation = would be that simple. > And how does humidity effect the heat transfer? >=20 > Can someone with experience, knowledge or both set me straight please? >=20 > Thanks Steve Izett >=20 >=20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html