X-Junk-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=2.2 cv=L5hfeKb8 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=UUw1RyDqGKisiOPICcNNcg==:117 a=O57If4J66qOgetPIvx8e4g==:17 a=IkcTkHD0fZMA:10 a=x7bEGLp0ZPQA:10 a=CKeqCrOqW6IA:10 a=v2DPQv5-lfwA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=Ia-xEzejAAAA:8 a=I7CW10tSG4JBihpPL2UA:9 a=QEXdDO2ut3YA:10 a=Urk15JJjZg1Xo0ryW_k8:22 From: "Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com" Received: from mail-pf0-f170.google.com ([209.85.192.170] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.2.2) with ESMTPS id 10850920 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 05:28:55 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.192.170; envelope-from=stephen.izett@gmail.com Received: by mail-pf0-f170.google.com with SMTP id l27so600710pfk.12 for ; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 02:28:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version:subject:date:references :to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=7HZTHYPPSGzZHKQADebJN7VVSIcsvTJj4vViwiGav3c=; b=smhe/4Tz5CSKOQWgSWBkvuNY9gHyMBbrC1FIDf0I6E6bq9KksH27ciMrteUEfZTm+K XTd9ear9vv4LkCtILGdEs0zpX+altXH5RwvfmLTSbOWwpjBUNoIOQbSYywH8IdAkqoOC 9UeM+kR4TpMsupuuUS7+YZzbNksBqde0W3OhDftuHh9DysUxlK/dVgYVSTapZi1Fp8kV m0HGd4ooG328xazERIgTfnFGO9zFZqMp87VFHPhQaTDJ9/4LgO0kbHL0DFY1RupPFSDx WVFUVDoy3u3uPzs/KQynSFKQBtJlUAsd4qS9/4E43vyNpWdnLGMmJYWsPX1ajzuhGzo7 g9PA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:from:content-transfer-encoding:mime-version :subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to:message-id; bh=7HZTHYPPSGzZHKQADebJN7VVSIcsvTJj4vViwiGav3c=; b=KgYAArQ+90mLIk1J4idICBeJXNdFdreicENzj+DczSnRn2iChcwWialzFwAIf041Nb ih91X1fDzG5NOe0K66+H1SoNmHIg19Ge16dL3zuEPMOVwNSPqEskGZEpRmIjnUoO5b0o ijp1nqe6Iqkc75vaajTz41d4vOip3PvRlv8tdkffJg/zAS934GQDnc4MgYConUj6s1XR 0HFBygVVlGF00aTl594v8T+jvIz951trT1niY9pMljRfE6xAlNd3CwrQ7E/fAhAaRn25 zMl7BKipeUc0z3Y4YT10B2yySvBmYxsv7AaBijtn/ADyo1QFScx58hlD+MLPs5gPx/jI ddDg== X-Gm-Message-State: AElRT7FTJ0NBi9EAz9W8ufIBV4B8lztfln5k+T+7p6f/lVAa+TOteFnx SkABIF2jwGGwphoZ1cZPrm6cpsKj X-Google-Smtp-Source: AG47ELsnd8U+Iw5KLaXIPklmoAol4G0V0jeMhtDjiAFnD8Cb+LDEAqbvReoNhKz0lEvwGaCpYqwYjg== X-Received: by 10.99.146.66 with SMTP id s2mr3970755pgn.372.1521278919211; Sat, 17 Mar 2018 02:28:39 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from steves-mbp.lan ([118.209.175.166]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id r14sm17504128pfh.83.2018.03.17.02.28.37 for (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 17 Mar 2018 02:28:38 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 10.3 \(3273\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Glasair Testing Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2018 17:28:34 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <203E2665-6FEF-4008-BAF4-8E3855802E6E@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3273) HI Todd Thanks for the feedback. And yes the manifold pressure does make sense, = I was upside down expecting a lower manifold pressure at WOT. Doh! I=E2=80=99m colourblind and cant differentiate between some of those = colours so was getting confused.=20 Yes that Cri Cri is an interesting and tiny machine. Dawie and Sarki are great guys with heaps of experience and have been so = very helpful. They bring it out every time we have an open day at our club. The crowds = love it. On another note I=E2=80=99m very interested in the possibility of = turboing the renesis in the future if all else goes well. What turbo are you using, what level of boost do you use and what hp do = you think this is creating? Thanks again Steve Izett > On 17 Mar 2018, at 4:29 pm, Todd Bartrim bartrim@gmail.com = wrote: >=20 > Hi Steve; > The manifold looks like exactly what I would expect to match your = RPM, so no worries there. The temps don't look too bad to me. Possibly = your oil cooling might be little low as it begins to increase rapidly = when you add power and during an extended climb-out you may see that get = a little hotter than you like, but it looks like it stabilizes quickly = when you reduce the power. > If everything else is performing well (fuel, electrical) then I = don't see why it's not time to see how it cools in the air. That's a = quick plane so my guess is that if you have enough ground cooling for = indefinate ground operation, you may find excess cooling (and drag) in = the air. >=20 > But the real reason I'm responding right now is not rotary related.... = A JET POWERED CRI CRI???? Holy s**t, what will they do next! So I found = the YouTube video of it (VH-ZSE right?) That's pretty cool! >=20 > Todd > C-FSTB > RV9 Turbo13B >=20 > Todd Bartrim >=20 > On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 6:29 PM, Stephen Izett stephen.izett@gmail.com = wrote: > Hi people >=20 > Continued testing the Glasair Super IIRG yesterday with an OAT of 70. = See graph of 13 minutes of data (Note: temps in C, Speed in Knots) >=20 > Apart from collecting data on the cooling I flooded my system with = adrenaline. >=20 > On the second run as I hit about 45knots I encountered very high = vibration with no warning. I braked and turned of the engine thinking it = emanated from the engine/prop. > After leaving the runway and stopping for a few moments I tried a = restart, and found all perfectly normal. Previously I had encountered = huge missing at rpm so immediately thought that was the issue. > Having wrongly diagnosed the phenomenon I taxied back and did another = run seeking to emulate the fault. Well this time I got up to about = 47knots and all hell broke loose.=20 > I was barely able to control her, leaving the strip and into the ruff. = Over the radio came the call =E2=80=9Cif you continue with that front = nose shimmy you will destroy your aircraft=E2=80=9D.=20 > Well I had no interest in continuing the testing at that stage but was = very thankful for the feedback from someone watching on. With my lack of = expertise I had completely failed to realise what was happening. >=20 > Back to the hangar and pulled the Shimmy Damper apart. Oil had gotten = in at some point, so cleaned it up and re torqued the assembly. >=20 > A friend on our airstrip with extensive experience in many different = aircraft (he has an RV8, Longezy, jet powered cir cri, Comanche twin) = then took it out with me (data not provided) and he confirmed he thought = the aircraft seemed very responsive (shimmy Damper a little to tight = now) and proceeded to lift the nose off for the first time under its own = power at a little over 50 knots. >=20 > So some big lessons for me in relation to my expertise and risk = profiling. > Temps still concerning but I=E2=80=99m wondering if there is enough = capacity to attempt flight testing. > I would appreciate any wisdom that any of you glean from the log data. = (I expected a different result from the manifold readings, so not sure = what is going on there) >=20 > Thanks >=20 > Steve Izett > Perth WA - Glasair Super IIRG with Renesis 4 port, RD1C, EM3, EC3 >=20 > >=20 >=20