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Hi Joe,

Here's a thread from 2016 where Lynn describes an MSD system. You can 
search the archives & probably find the diagram.

Do be aware that if the engine starts and runs on one rotor (loss of one 
system in this design), there's a risk of pretty strong torque reversal 
issues.

Charlie


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Subject: 	[FlyRotary] Re: Renesis: just the ignition system
Date: 	Tue, 5 Jul 2016 04:14:57 -0400
From: 	Lehanover <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Reply-To: 	Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To: 	Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>



It is on one of these twenty or so memory sticks. But I will send it 
along. It may be in the archives as well.
Or I can draw up a new one if all else fails.
Lynn E. Hanover
In a message dated 7/5/2016 1:09:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

    Interesting,

    Do you have pictures of this system?

    I haven't heard of firing both plugs per housing at the same time
    (most fire the trailing plugs independently and the leading plugs
    simultaneously with a waste spark cycle). This sounds pretty good,
    considering only needing 2 modules instead of 3.

    On Jul 4, 2016 11:45 PM, "Lehanover" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net
    <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>> wrote:

        One thick aluminum disc mounted on the front pulley. One iron
        reluctor mounted in the edge of the disc. A length of 1/4" bolt
        works fine. Make the disc the same diameter as a Mr. Gasket
        degree wheel. Mount the degree wheel on the front of the disc.
        Makes setting timing dead easy.
        Two pickups mounted 180 degrees apart to be tripped by the
        reluctor.
        One pickup fires an MSD or similar so as to light off a double
        ended coil (MSD has these) or two Blaster coils in parallel if
        you need the extra weight. To fire leading and trailing plugs in
        housing one together.
        The second pickup fires housing two. Keep plug wires as short as
        is possible.
        Adjust reluctor disc so as to fire plugs at 20 to 26 degrees
        BTDC. Good from idle to 10,000 RPM and 250 HP. Used on racing
        engines for years. Use NGK 11.5 heat range plugs gapped at .010".
        Non turbo engines only. Ignition timing is so accurate that the
        engine appears to be not running when a timing light is used.
        Lynn E. Hanover
        In a message dated 7/4/2016 10:42:24 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
        flyrotary@lancaironline.net <mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
        writes:

            Tracy

            I'm wanting to use a carbureted Renesis for my build.
            Eliminating both the fuel injection system and the emissions
            system, I have no need to keep the stock ECM. What would be
            the easiest ignition system to use? I'm thinking a hall
            effect crank angle sensor feeding an MSD 6A/Crane Fireball
            Hi6/similar low cost unit and three coils: one for each
            trailing plug and one for both leading plugs (leading plugs
            fire a waste spark similar to the 2nd and 3rd generation RX7s).

            Would this be a matter of simply installing a universal
            aftermarket crank trigger kit and having the sensors trigger
            an ignition module? Would I need one or three ignition
            modules to achieve this?

            Many thanks,
            Chad.



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    Hi Joe, <br>
    <br>
    Here's a thread from 2016 where Lynn describes an MSD system. You
    can search the archives &amp; probably find the diagram.<br>
    <br>
    Do be aware that if the engine starts and runs on one rotor (loss of
    one system in this design), there's a risk of pretty strong torque
    reversal issues. <br>
    <br>
    Charlie<br>
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        <div>It is on one of these twenty or so memory sticks. But I
          will send it along. It may be in the archives as well.</div>
        <div>Or I can draw up a new one if all else fails. </div>
        <div>Lynn E. Hanover</div>
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          <div>In a message dated 7/5/2016 1:09:51 A.M. Eastern Daylight
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              <p dir="ltr">Interesting, </p>
              <p dir="ltr">Do you have pictures of this system? </p>
              <p dir="ltr">I haven't heard of firing both plugs per
                housing at the same time (most fire the trailing plugs
                independently and the leading plugs simultaneously with
                a waste spark cycle). This sounds pretty good,
                considering only needing 2 modules instead of 3. </p>
              <div class="gmail_quote">On Jul 4, 2016 11:45 PM,
                "Lehanover" &lt;<a
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                      <div>One thick aluminum disc mounted on the front
                        pulley. One iron reluctor mounted in the edge of
                        the disc. A length of 1/4" bolt works fine. Make
                        the disc the same diameter as a Mr. Gasket
                        degree wheel. Mount the degree wheel on the
                        front of the disc. Makes setting timing dead
                        easy.</div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>Two pickups mounted 180 degrees apart to be
                        tripped by the reluctor. </div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>One pickup fires an MSD or similar so as to
                        light off a double ended coil (MSD has these) or
                        two Blaster coils in parallel if you need the
                        extra weight. To fire leading and trailing plugs
                        in housing one together.</div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>The second pickup fires housing two. Keep
                        plug wires as short as is possible. </div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>Adjust reluctor disc so as to fire plugs at
                        20 to 26 degrees BTDC. Good from idle to 10,000
                        RPM and 250 HP. Used on racing engines for
                        years. Use NGK 11.5 heat range plugs gapped at
                        .010".  </div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>Non turbo engines only. Ignition timing is so
                        accurate that the engine appears to be not
                        running when a timing light is used. </div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>Lynn E. Hanover</div>
                      <div> </div>
                      <div>
                        <div>In a message dated 7/4/2016 10:42:24 P.M.
                          Eastern Daylight Time, <a
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                            <div dir="ltr">Tracy
                              <div><br>
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                              <div>I'm wanting to use a carbureted
                                Renesis for my build. Eliminating both
                                the fuel injection system and the
                                emissions system, I have no need to keep
                                the stock ECM. What would be the easiest
                                ignition system to use? I'm thinking a
                                hall effect crank angle sensor feeding
                                an MSD 6A/Crane Fireball Hi6/similar low
                                cost unit and three coils: one for each
                                trailing plug and one for both leading
                                plugs (leading plugs fire a waste spark
                                similar to the 2nd and 3rd generation
                                RX7s).</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Would this be a matter of simply
                                installing a universal aftermarket crank
                                trigger kit and having the sensors
                                trigger an ignition module? Would I need
                                one or three ignition modules to achieve
                                this?</div>
                              <div><br>
                              </div>
                              <div>Many thanks,</div>
                              <div>Chad. </div>
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