X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Todd Bartrim" Received: from mail-vk0-f41.google.com ([209.85.213.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8924613 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 14:23:50 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.213.41; envelope-from=bartrim@gmail.com Received: by mail-vk0-f41.google.com with SMTP id f76so107888554vke.0 for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 11:23:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=fN8R/WZy1k1i62UgAr4Fvwb1z78kMVZe6u4bIv35F7g=; b=pZKM2m7FZjXwbDH4MRNUnqh2UKvBhIbDULoZluFkqCYY7r6FzBe0TgHo5G8gmbqsmt Kc4pDD/w44CRQJ5/fpJ59S96y7TYOoV6TyAR9jtBJOEJF4uMPYQtb4ox9Ck7UltHISlN B4kYkoDF7EeejicJFaDhU1OQNoiSOrD0joae0maM0Yj5FB8/fN4mIhWlGArvTeQWQR46 f2ur8jSw5rQLG4X4eIfQJKWlFBGMQQ+RCOq+QdApz/uerEAyIFmirsOLRgI8/JXGcfjS Nbinfkp4mQjacwGbyd5KgIXraGp0nQ/DJrhc7dz7EMegBo6b9ibkHJINpQ8w6uH1vzU+ Fofw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=fN8R/WZy1k1i62UgAr4Fvwb1z78kMVZe6u4bIv35F7g=; b=JWO/cWbAd+6Om7QQnvYQr1VHcMi0xBcokq50+SH45e2BMWNckmhxy1X4IICML/3sCa AJKuoiJUVKbR5Sj47gM3JdNDDGTlk/dG7KIoSBBxyJCNsbyHB/N/bZJMTSOPqB0dVjMW yPFD6ULtqSZCVtC0PM2qT6gnCqSJGl/TSyKHDiNuo9bX1tK6kN9UL7rW7lTEEtWOaTYa 3pPzRMRHaxyvBOcn70Q1kLlZ9V8Dlgo6eb1Tp/2RWioNEkPd554JyelM+uwqpy0pq8zN f7XmiakBdEjfvDeoctobyxMFRIsAJAmb2v0GAUBaFh572IOpEFkRu2A9GdnPOt1jC1re XpKg== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwMY6tdTQ6iYFgiLtTm2NxVttGnpwLgUjO6Nlr+rLM7jJp4rcc0NBj25udp5J/YYtcR3mC4MuSpX3dhq5w== X-Received: by 10.31.224.6 with SMTP id x6mr22883615vkg.91.1473186211568; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 11:23:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 06 Sep 2016 18:23:21 +0000 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Big day tomorrow ! To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=94eb2c07a396d422a0053bdae4ac --94eb2c07a396d422a0053bdae4ac Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi Ed; Do you know if Max is equipped with an autopilot? Sure would make those long water crossings easier. On Tue, Sep 6, 2016, 10:16 AM Ed Anderson wrote: > When I had spark plug sag, the engine did not sputter, it just lost rpm > and power. > > He had 14 hours with the engine running fine and after a night of heavy > rain with it left outside (which he normally does not do) and then the > sputtering does not start until 5 minutes after take off, sure makes it > sound like water in the fuel to me. > > Ed > > *From:* Kelly Troyer > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:44 PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > *Subject:* [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Big day tomorrow ! > Ed, > I think you may have diagnosed the problem..........It does not sound > like spark plug "SAG"...........Hope So ??............. > > Kelly Troyer > > > > > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Ed Anderson > wrote: > >> >> >> Bummer, Max - to hear you had a problem after such a great start. >> Grateful that >> you made it back to the airport. >> >> Here is my best guess as to the problem. IF it rained all night long and >> the engine was running fine when you landed, it sure sounds like you got >> water in your fuel tanks. >> >> Five minutes is enough to burn all the >> uncontaminated fuel out of the lines and your fuel sump and start sucking >> in >> water contaminated fuel. By playing with the fuel mixture you probably >> made >> it rich enough (more fuel) to sort of counteract the water in the fuel. >> >> I would drain some fuel from each tank and check it for water - I'll bet >> you >> find some. >> >> IF you can somehow turn off your wing tanks fuel feed and turn on the aux >> tank in the cockpit (which should not have water in it), then see how it >> runs. >> >> If you run the engine on the ground and it is the water causing the >> problem, >> you should use up the water in a few minutes and then it should start >> running normally. IF that happens then, in my opinion, that increase the >> odds that it was water in the fuel that caused your problem. >> >> I'll bet you normally keep you aircraft in the hangar when its raining. >> IF >> so its not uncommon when left out in the rain that rain could leak past >> old >> hard rubber seals around your filler caps - are they located on the top of >> the wing?? >> >> Let me know what you find. >> >> Ed >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: (null) maximilian >> Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:06 PM >> To: Ed Anderson >> Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow ! >> >> What could have happened? >> it was raining all night long! >> 5 min after takeoff it started loosening power like sputtering! >> thank god after playing with the mixture it ran just enough to get me back >> to airport >> very scary! I was fully loaded with fuel! >> most likely I leave the plane here! >> >> max >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Ed Anderson >>> wrote: >>> >>> Great going, Max - you put Lindberg to shame {:>). Onward to Iceland >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: (null) maximilian >>> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 2:04 PM >>> To: Ed Anderson >>> Cc: Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de ; s-kocher@hotmail.com ; dibora@sbg.at ; >>> Karin Raab ; chuck55@optonline.net ; Joseph DiPalermo >>> Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow ! >>> >>> I'm in Narsasuak Greenland after completing my most difficult Flight >>> ever! >>> Icing, snow, rain and fog! >>> Mashine and pilot went through the most difficult! >>> 5 hours 20 min total >>> more then 2 hours in solid IFR! >>> >>> wunderbar! >>> Max >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Ed Anderson >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Stay High and dry my friend. Let us know as soon as you get to >>>> Greenland. >>>> >>>> Ed >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Max >>>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 11:12 AM >>>> To: eanderson@carolina.rr.com ; Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de ; >>>> s-kocher@hotmail.com ; dibora@sbg.at ; Karin Raab ; >>>> chuck55@optonline.net ; Joseph DiPalermo >>>> Subject: Big day tomorrow ! >>>> >>>> Got my survival gear, Flieger is loaded with gas, weather looks good >>>> tail wind >>>> Going straight from Goose bay to Greenland 5 hours over water! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- >>>> No virus found in this message. >>>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>>> Version: 2016.0.7442 / Virus Database: 4649/12942 - Release Date: >>>> 09/04/16 >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2016.0.7442 / Virus Database: 4649/12949 - Release Date: >>> 09/05/16 >>> >>> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2016.0.7442 / Virus Database: 4649/12956 - Release Date: >> 09/06/16 >> >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: >> http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> > > > > -- > Kelly Troyer > Dyke Delta_"Eventually" > 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 > > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7442 / Virus Database: 4649/12956 - Release Date: 09/06/16 > --94eb2c07a396d422a0053bdae4ac Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi Ed;
Do you know if Max is equipped with an autopilot?
Sure would make those long water crossings easier.


On Tue, Sep 6, 2016, 10:16 = AM Ed Anderson <flyrotary= @lancaironline.net> wrote:
When I had spark plug sag, the engine did not sputter, it just lost rp= m and=20 power.
=C2=A0
He had 14 hours with the engine running fine and after a night of heav= y=20 rain with it left outside (which he normally does not do) and then the=20 sputtering does not start until 5 minutes after take off, sure makes it sou= nd=20 like water in the fuel to me.
=C2=A0
Ed
=C2=A0
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:44 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <= /div>
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Big day tomorrow !
Ed,
=C2=A0 I think you may have diagnosed the problem..........It does not= =20 sound like spark plug "SAG"...........Hope So ??.............
=C2=A0
Kelly Troyer
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
=C2=A0
On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Ed Anderson <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:


Bummer,=20 Max -=C2=A0 to hear you had a problem after such a great start. Grateful= =20 that
you made it back to the airport.

Here is my best guess as = to=20 the problem.=C2=A0 IF it rained all night long and
the engine was runn= ing=20 fine when you landed, it sure sounds like you got
water in your fuel= =20 tanks.

Five minutes is enough to burn all the
uncontaminated fu= el=20 out of the lines and your fuel sump and start sucking in
water contami= nated=20 fuel.=C2=A0 By playing with the fuel mixture you probably made
it rich= =20 enough (more fuel) to sort of counteract the water in the fuel.

I = would=20 drain some fuel from each tank and check it for water - I'll bet you<= br>find=20 some.

IF you can somehow turn off your wing tanks fuel feed and tu= rn on=20 the aux
tank in the cockpit (which should not have water in it), then = see=20 how it
runs.

If you run the engine on the ground and it is the = water=20 causing the problem,
you should use up the water in a few minutes and = then=20 it should start
running normally.=C2=A0 IF that happens then, in my=20 opinion, that increase the
odds that it was water in the fuel that cau= sed=20 your problem.

I'll bet you normally keep you aircraft in the h= angar=20 when its raining.=C2=A0 IF
so its not uncommon when left out in the ra= in=20 that rain=C2=A0 could leak past old
hard rubber seals around your fill= er=20 caps - are they located on the top of
the wing??

Let me know wh= at=20 you find.

Ed



-----Original Message----- From: (null= )=20 maximilian
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:06 PM
To: Ed=20 Anderson
Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow !

What could have=20 happened?
it was raining all night long!
5 min after takeoff it sta= rted=20 loosening power like sputtering!
thank god after playing with the mixt= ure=20 it ran just enough to get me back
to airport
very scary! I was full= y=20 loaded with fuel!
most likely I leave the plane=20 here!

max

Sent from my iPad

On=20 Sep 6, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:<= br>
Great going,=20 Max - you put Lindberg to shame {:>).=C2=A0 Onward to=20 Iceland

Ed

-----Original Message----- From: (null)=20 maximilian
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 2:04 PM
To: Ed=20 Anderson
Cc: Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de ; s-kocher@hotmail.com ;=20 dibora@sbg.at ; = Karin Raab=20 ; chuck55@op= tonline.net ; Joseph DiPalermo
Subject: Re:=20 Big day tomorrow !

I'm in Narsasuak Greenland after completi= ng my=20 most difficult Flight ever!
Icing, snow, rain and fog!
Mashine an= d=20 pilot went through the most difficult!
5 hours 20 min total
more = then=20 2 hours in solid IFR!

wunderbar!
Max

Sent from my=20 iPad

On=20 Sep 4, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:=

Stay High=20 and dry my friend.=C2=A0 Let us know as soon as you get to=20 Greenland.

Ed

-----Original Message----- From: Max
S= ent:=20 Sunday, September 04, 2016 11:12 AM
To: eanderson@carolina.rr.com ; Stefan.Kohout@t-on= line.de ; s-k= ocher@hotmail.com=20 ; dibora@sbg.at ; Karin=20 Raab ; chu= ck55@optonline.net ; Joseph DiPalermo
Subject: Big=20 day tomorrow !

Got my survival gear, Flieger is loaded w= ith=20 gas, weather looks good tail wind
Going straight from Goose bay to= =20 Greenland 5 hours over=20 water!










Sent from my=20 iPhone





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=C2=A0
--
Kelly Troyer
Dyke=20 Delta_"Eventually"
13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2

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