X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Kelly Troyer" Received: from mail-oi0-f49.google.com ([209.85.218.49] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8924293 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 12:44:20 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.218.49; envelope-from=keltro@gmail.com Received: by mail-oi0-f49.google.com with SMTP id y2so81385490oie.0 for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:44:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to; bh=PwMF0KXRIrm52ubgvSeWjbmZ1qMxy5ZiGZBDSOcKzOI=; b=LWEjJD/+BR91fDYcnSeoPFUQIInNAc1KzxSYbe42lM4BvBL3wZYNnuX+q+2lpVlt6m l5t5NP2CZAyxrVCTpd0H5GpRigRUDtMK9xpAYs22OLLglHGpIzfZAXBYruLHOBR+lj5l ZBHKgglme3JQAFiCJr3wcU4bmNuTluMq1GvcmlVcwjzHy+3Aw5wsI83TgxIsn4bZAYrv OFz4nnA38bHk7lJH2IGjnA2XR++jMTmtbUQ6CPk2bBZYOhmstlfItI+f45gUTgdVJ4+k 0piC/xXbEdYmg6JQRgoOTORYNbStBi5ppd6JwQ/Zec2I+QIExPJXWH8+v24jf27iEbxo RXJw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date :message-id:subject:to; bh=PwMF0KXRIrm52ubgvSeWjbmZ1qMxy5ZiGZBDSOcKzOI=; b=iFKtJt9ZXhB6FI2qLaqfJd+A5L8i1uHlPu7BGBQjIVb59+OC1uoWH/YekxVqEv8A9E +N61N+/AXhz8dm6nxDs0UaodVZmHfqL/v30zYWfSt3s9LvRByatb2Dul6Bh1rKUTZFKp sut1O3B6jSUXYuP5K/rQucefLvTy0JipbFHDvb1RNNhUZGb/9ozhu7T+IRATE3clcuJ7 KzAECHUVFL78V79oVUO0Dsyf0n6mbaKvYbBA2q/Lygzp8cQWq1iGJnMDhsAF71lF5IzX 3Qx6+ivuvtXmBJP3Au+INKaUaZu5ZPH3OMv5rbyUiA2SHmBaSQA2LT/Ky2YVw4GkOSfv uRfg== X-Gm-Message-State: AE9vXwPCr0S8C3SaJNwzbLQ4353tX72V5fOR4y40HvCG3gGry423tb4JI+opSFJZSeNGiN4AD7youpbq9ikBDw== X-Received: by 10.202.252.136 with SMTP id a130mr11203796oii.4.1473180243301; Tue, 06 Sep 2016 09:44:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.157.29.195 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2016 09:44:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2016 11:44:02 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Fw: Big day tomorrow ! To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113df2ce17995c053bd98153 --001a113df2ce17995c053bd98153 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Ed, I think you may have diagnosed the problem..........It does not sound like spark plug "SAG"...........Hope So ??............. Kelly Troyer On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Ed Anderson wrote: > > > Bummer, Max - to hear you had a problem after such a great start. > Grateful that > you made it back to the airport. > > Here is my best guess as to the problem. IF it rained all night long and > the engine was running fine when you landed, it sure sounds like you got > water in your fuel tanks. > > Five minutes is enough to burn all the > uncontaminated fuel out of the lines and your fuel sump and start sucking > in > water contaminated fuel. By playing with the fuel mixture you probably > made > it rich enough (more fuel) to sort of counteract the water in the fuel. > > I would drain some fuel from each tank and check it for water - I'll bet > you > find some. > > IF you can somehow turn off your wing tanks fuel feed and turn on the aux > tank in the cockpit (which should not have water in it), then see how it > runs. > > If you run the engine on the ground and it is the water causing the > problem, > you should use up the water in a few minutes and then it should start > running normally. IF that happens then, in my opinion, that increase the > odds that it was water in the fuel that caused your problem. > > I'll bet you normally keep you aircraft in the hangar when its raining. IF > so its not uncommon when left out in the rain that rain could leak past > old > hard rubber seals around your filler caps - are they located on the top of > the wing?? > > Let me know what you find. > > Ed > > > > -----Original Message----- From: (null) maximilian > Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:06 PM > To: Ed Anderson > Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow ! > > What could have happened? > it was raining all night long! > 5 min after takeoff it started loosening power like sputtering! > thank god after playing with the mixture it ran just enough to get me back > to airport > very scary! I was fully loaded with fuel! > most likely I leave the plane here! > > max > > Sent from my iPad > > On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Ed Anderson >> wrote: >> >> Great going, Max - you put Lindberg to shame {:>). Onward to Iceland >> >> Ed >> >> -----Original Message----- From: (null) maximilian >> Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 2:04 PM >> To: Ed Anderson >> Cc: Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de ; s-kocher@hotmail.com ; dibora@sbg.at ; >> Karin Raab ; chuck55@optonline.net ; Joseph DiPalermo >> Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow ! >> >> I'm in Narsasuak Greenland after completing my most difficult Flight ever! >> Icing, snow, rain and fog! >> Mashine and pilot went through the most difficult! >> 5 hours 20 min total >> more then 2 hours in solid IFR! >> >> wunderbar! >> Max >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Ed Anderson >>> wrote: >>> >>> Stay High and dry my friend. Let us know as soon as you get to >>> Greenland. >>> >>> Ed >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Max >>> Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 11:12 AM >>> To: eanderson@carolina.rr.com ; Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de ; >>> s-kocher@hotmail.com ; dibora@sbg.at ; Karin Raab ; >>> chuck55@optonline.net ; Joseph DiPalermo >>> Subject: Big day tomorrow ! >>> >>> Got my survival gear, Flieger is loaded with gas, weather looks good >>> tail wind >>> Going straight from Goose bay to Greenland 5 hours over water! >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ----- >>> No virus found in this message. >>> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >>> Version: 2016.0.7442 / Virus Database: 4649/12942 - Release Date: >>> 09/04/16 >>> >> >> >> >> ----- >> No virus found in this message. >> Checked by AVG - www.avg.com >> Version: 2016.0.7442 / Virus Database: 4649/12949 - Release Date: 09/05/16 >> >> > > > ----- > No virus found in this message. > Checked by AVG - www.avg.com > Version: 2016.0.7442 / Virus Database: 4649/12956 - Release Date: 09/06/16 > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: http://mail.lancaironline. > net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > -- Kelly Troyer Dyke Delta_"Eventually" 13B_RD1C_EC2_EM2 --001a113df2ce17995c053bd98153 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Ed,
=C2=A0 I think you may have diagnosed t= he problem..........It does not sound like spark plug "SAG"......= .....Hope So ??.............

Kelly Troyer




On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 11:28 AM, Ed Anderson <= span dir=3D"ltr"><flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:


Bummer, Max -=C2=A0 to hear you had a problem after such a great start. Gra= teful that
you made it back to the airport.

Here is my best guess as to the problem.=C2=A0 IF it rained all night long = and
the engine was running fine when you landed, it sure sounds like you got water in your fuel tanks.

Five minutes is enough to burn all the
uncontaminated fuel out of the lines and your fuel sump and start sucking i= n
water contaminated fuel.=C2=A0 By playing with the fuel mixture you probabl= y made
it rich enough (more fuel) to sort of counteract the water in the fuel.

I would drain some fuel from each tank and check it for water - I'll be= t you
find some.

IF you can somehow turn off your wing tanks fuel feed and turn on the aux tank in the cockpit (which should not have water in it), then see how it runs.

If you run the engine on the ground and it is the water causing the problem= ,
you should use up the water in a few minutes and then it should start
running normally.=C2=A0 IF that happens then, in my opinion, that increase = the
odds that it was water in the fuel that caused your problem.

I'll bet you normally keep you aircraft in the hangar when its raining.= =C2=A0 IF
so its not uncommon when left out in the rain that rain=C2=A0 could leak pa= st old
hard rubber seals around your filler caps - are they located on the top of<= br> the wing??

Let me know what you find.

Ed



-----Original Message----- From: (null) maximilian
Sent: Tuesday, September 06, 2016 12:06 PM
To: Ed Anderson
Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow !

What could have happened?
it was raining all night long!
5 min after takeoff it started loosening power like sputtering!
thank god after playing with the mixture it ran just enough to get me back<= br> to airport
very scary! I was fully loaded with fuel!
most likely I leave the plane here!

max

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 6, 2016, at 10:52 AM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Great going, Max - you put Lindberg to shame {:>).=C2=A0 Onward to Icela= nd

Ed

-----Original Message----- From: (null) maximilian
Sent: Monday, September 05, 2016 2:04 PM
To: Ed Anderson
Cc: Stefan.K= ohout@t-online.de ; s-kocher@hotmail.com ; dibora@sbg.at ; Karin Raab ; chuck55@optonline.net ; Joseph DiPalermo Subject: Re: Big day tomorrow !

I'm in Narsasuak Greenland after completing my most difficult Flight ev= er!
Icing, snow, rain and fog!
Mashine and pilot went through the most difficult!
5 hours 20 min total
more then 2 hours in solid IFR!

wunderbar!
Max

Sent from my iPad

On Sep 4, 2016, at 3:59 PM, Ed Anderson <eanderson@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
Stay High and dry my friend.=C2=A0 Let us know as soon as you get to Greenl= and.

Ed

-----Original Message----- From: Max
Sent: Sunday, September 04, 2016 11:12 AM
To: eanderso= n@carolina.rr.com ; Stefan.Kohout@t-online.de ; s-kocher@hotmail.com ; dibora@sbg.at ; Karin Raab ; chuck55@optonline.net ; = Joseph DiPalermo
Subject: Big day tomorrow !

Got my survival gear, Flieger is loaded with gas, weather looks good tail w= ind
Going straight from Goose bay to Greenland 5 hours over water!










Sent from my iPhone





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