X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "steve Izett" Received: from mail-pa0-f41.google.com ([209.85.220.41] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.11) with ESMTPS id 8872004 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 19:04:05 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.220.41; envelope-from=steveize@gmail.com Received: by mail-pa0-f41.google.com with SMTP id ti13so209249pac.0 for ; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 16:04:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date:references:to:in-reply-to; bh=padMmMI74xathVA3E6s7VfdBvhl2voFW9Lkxpe1ZZfo=; b=A9BAxcVuy1wzPCBjTMjzL2Zvo9/Jzd59Rv1Bp5J5V8bUWZ9ZzIpsbqP9mIUFdaTnvr IUSsJhscq2lICm4QJyFnSJvOnBGtWDOxkZGDdHtR62O6PrIsmepHS8zU4I+gKoPH+VtJ gfEPbJSd6w4cPnWQE3W1wfzevI94DVN1D4sYM6oohvxeJhcI+kxyZIKUsn9rp3YrRLt6 OCvS/2+kh0UUhR1DY0KVp2zOVI+V3lHw1UeAFLVp3eURQeiShUQEpEkiOHwQaNrFwzE9 nU4pcncoJ7fCRoCowlUz1tM6Jof7p+B6Jo4y6tN+GRIwhpWAwx1o0k8yggkwRXiHxUnK uu9Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:from:message-id:mime-version:subject:date :references:to:in-reply-to; bh=padMmMI74xathVA3E6s7VfdBvhl2voFW9Lkxpe1ZZfo=; b=D/XZy1nn6k+wVQVjdWxd9G8nfKeNxlemyPbO3SG8yaCxUlRDWGJaAhE9EgKXJ4rTnu /O0YSBDD0fwFNfvomwhBXXmtrGCQck/HKYHfc1DyuRYQMe8HDAbkB6yQTC6ZTyDdXUnG r9atMCvt3vrZ89LFG+njuOrJnk2KMr632IGKBOsEPXDZGQyJseKilvienHvVgVspu1zH 4OfH2SpmEAyFRetGDpmp96CC2Q5zmq7CsdlV3FE2SUgArZY79O9rwtxQDW/01HW8vzR2 uEh0qOiqJghLkNLvPO52aIm8KhxTPit59JyJfIIk1FGGREVLpUAl0vDyjjlyBU3tPSqZ wMpg== X-Gm-Message-State: AEkoouvPLcJyQV4OS3/f1xeQ9khGpUHZu2R4G/Dzrdx0Co8DTt2Cy2IYGjLiOMgmyUONrg== X-Received: by 10.67.1.35 with SMTP id bd3mr31380232pad.16.1471043025976; Fri, 12 Aug 2016 16:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [10.1.1.5] (124-148-220-116.dyn.iinet.net.au. [124.148.220.116]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n13sm15481888pfj.16.2016.08.12.16.03.43 for (version=TLS1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Fri, 12 Aug 2016 16:03:45 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_79595F72-6699-4F2B-A753-0538E2BFB0A0" Message-Id: <88FBB372-04E3-4CB5-8681-684F67F3699D@gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.3 \(3124\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Update on Renesis Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2016 07:03:39 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3124) --Apple-Mail=_79595F72-6699-4F2B-A753-0538E2BFB0A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Makes sense Bill. This might have been what happened to us. Steve > On 13 Aug 2016, at 2:37 AM, William Jepson = wrote: >=20 > Guys, I was involved with the motorcycle street and racing world for = years. We commonly used all different plugs but liked NGK the best our = selves. Once after tuning a racing single 2 cycle with great attention = to precision I found it wouldn't start. It had a brand new plug out of = the box. Not an exotic platinum or other. went back to the original plug = and it started on the first kick. got another new plug gapped and = installed and it ran like a jet. examination of the faulty plug showed = that they had left out the "copper core" and the gap was over an inch = internally! Point is any standard production item can fail or have a = manufacturing fault. Resistor plugs fail the most often. Always double = check even new ones. >=20 > Bill Jepson >=20 > On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Stephen Izett = > = wrote: > Hi have a standard compression test kit that has the various hoses and = threads for different plug hole sizes. > The gauge that came with it was 1/8NPT thread so just removed gauge = and screwed in sensor instead. >=20 > Steve >=20 >> On 12 Aug 2016, at 11:52 PM, Bobby J. Hughes = > = wrote: >>=20 >> Whats involved in swapping the regulator? Dropping the oil pan and = a skinny wrench.=20 >> =20 >> Thanks for the link. I guess I would need to fabricate an adapter to = fit in the sparkplug hole. >> =20 >> 1 11811 Oil Pressure Regulator - $104.00 = $104.00 >> Street 90-95 PSI 04-08 RX-8 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> Bobby >> =20 >> =20 >> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net = ]=20 >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 10:45 AM >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Update on Renesis >> =20 >> Hi Bobby. >> =20 >> No idea on the plug change. Haven=E2=80=99t changed anything. >> I had previously had one of the plugs fail as I tested it on top of = the motor in diagnostic mode? >> Whether it was part of a bad batch. I don=E2=80=99t know how plugs go = bad. >> =20 >> I thought the gap was similar. Not sure what tracy has in the EC2 = that may be attenuating its signal. >> I haven=E2=80=99t checked the calibration of the oil sender, but was = a little concerned about the pressure being a bit low. >> Interesting your was also low. Whats involved in swapping the = regulator? >> =20 >> Pressure Transducer - = http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/331877999223?_trksid=3Dp2057872.m2749.l2649&var= =3D540943937361&ssPageName=3DSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT = >> =20 >> Cheers >> =20 >> Steve >> =20 >> On 12 Aug 2016, at 9:34 PM, Bobby J. Hughes = > = wrote: >> =20 >> Any theory as to how the plug change corrected the problem? Plug wire = routing change? =20 >>=20 >> CAS (Primary is 4.8vPk-Pk and Backup 1.9vPk-Pk????) - Back up CAS has = a larger gap to the trigger wheel? >>=20 >> I wonder what HP she is making - Me too! >>=20 >> Oil Pressure 56PSI - I had similar oil pressure and swapped the = stock 2004 regulator for the Racing Beat Street 90-95 PSI. I now see = 88-92 psi at all but idle rpm. I have carburetor jets in the e-shaft oil = ports.=20 >>=20 >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> Can you point me to the $22 pressure transducer you used to capture = the pressure plots?=20 >>=20 >> Bobby=20 >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net = ]=20 >> Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 6:00 AM >> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Update on Renesis >>=20 >> Hi Guys >> Today we got back into finding the terrible missing breakdown problem = with the Renesis. >> We had a list of faultfinding paths to follow but solved it with the = first change. >> Turned out to be the plugs. Swapped in the NGKBR10EIX (after grinding = down a plug socket) and no more problem. >>=20 >> So she now does the following I think reasonably rich: >> WOT Prop set fine 7467 RPM 29.8 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s = 1647&1497 23.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil Pressure 68PSI >> WOT Prop set course 5407 RPM 30.3 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s 1579&1494 = 16.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil Pressure 56PSI >>=20 >> The EM3 fuel flow is not calibrated yet so not sure how close the GPH = likely to be and therefore power levels. >> I wonder what HP she is making. >>=20 >> Checked the dwell: See photo showing Rotor #1 T and L signals to D585 = coils. Appears to be close to 4mSec=E2=80=99s Checked the signal from = the CAS=E2=80=99s: See photo of signals coming from the Primary and = Backup I disconnected the Backup CAS and Engine still runs on B so??? = (I=E2=80=99m sure I set BUSENSOR in the code) Sorry about the glare on = the CRO screen. >>=20 >> =20 >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html = >=20 --Apple-Mail=_79595F72-6699-4F2B-A753-0538E2BFB0A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Makes sense Bill. This might have been what happened to = us.
Steve
On 13 Aug 2016, at 2:37 AM, = William Jepson <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Guys, I was involved with the motorcycle street and racing = world for years. We commonly used all different plugs but liked NGK the = best our selves. Once after tuning a racing single 2 cycle with great = attention to precision I found it wouldn't start. It had a brand new = plug out of the box. Not an exotic platinum or other. went back to = the original plug and it started on the first kick. got another new plug = gapped and installed and it ran like a jet. examination of the faulty = plug showed that they had left out the "copper core" and the gap was = over an inch internally! Point is any standard production item can fail = or have a manufacturing fault. Resistor plugs fail the most often. = Always double check even new ones.

Bill Jepson

On Fri, = Aug 12, 2016 at 9:01 AM, Stephen Izett <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
Hi have a standard compression = test kit that has the various hoses and threads for different plug hole = sizes.
The gauge that came with it was 1/8NPT thread so = just removed gauge and screwed in sensor instead.
Steve

On 12 Aug 2016, at 11:52 PM, Bobby J. Hughes = <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Whats involved in swapping the regulator?   = Dropping the oil pan and a skinny wrench. 
 
Thanks for the link. I guess I would need to fabricate an = adapter to fit in the sparkplug hole.
 
  1   11811      Oil = Pressure Regulator = -            &= nbsp; $104.00          = $104.00
          &nb= sp;      Street 90-95 PSI 04-08 RX-8
 
 
 
Bobby
 
 
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 10:45 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: = Update on Renesis
 
Hi= Bobby.
 
No= idea on the plug change. Haven=E2=80=99t changed anything.
 I had previously had one of the plugs = fail as I tested it on top of the motor in diagnostic mode?
Whether it was part of a bad batch. I don=E2=80=99= t know how plugs go bad.
 
I thought the gap was similar. Not sure what = tracy has in the EC2 that may be attenuating its signal.
I haven=E2=80=99t checked the calibration of = the oil sender, but was a little concerned about the pressure being a = bit low.
Interesting your was also low. Whats involved in swapping the = regulator?
 
Pressure Transducer - http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/331877999223?_trksid=3Dp2057872.m2749.l2649&var=3D540943937361&ssPageName=3DSTRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT
 
Cheers
 
Steve
 
On= 12 Aug 2016, at 9:34 PM, Bobby J. Hughes <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
 

Any theory as = to how the plug change corrected the problem? Plug wire routing change? =  

CAS (Primary is 4.8vPk-Pk and Backup = 1.9vPk-Pk????) - Back up CAS has a larger gap to the trigger wheel?

I wonder what HP she is making - Me too!

Oil Pressure 56PSI -  I had similar oil = pressure and swapped the stock 2004 regulator for the Racing Beat Street = 90-95 PSI. I now see 88-92 psi at all but idle rpm. I have carburetor = jets in the e-shaft oil ports. 

 


Can you point me to the $22 pressure transducer you used to = capture the pressure plots? 

Bobby 

-----Original Message-----
From: = Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] 
Sent: Friday, August 12, 2016 = 6:00 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject:= [FlyRotary] Update on Renesis

Hi Guys
Today we got back into finding the terrible missing breakdown = problem with the Renesis.
We had a list of faultfinding = paths to follow but solved it with the first change.
Turned = out to be the plugs. Swapped in the NGKBR10EIX (after grinding down a = plug socket) and no more problem.

So she = now does the following I think reasonably rich:
WOT Prop = set fine          &nb= sp;       7467 RPM 29.8 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s = 1647&1497 23.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil Pressure 68PSI
WOT Prop set course  5407 RPM 30.3 Inches EGT=E2=80=99s = 1579&1494 16.7 GPH Fuel Pressure 43PSI Oil Pressure 56PSI

The EM3 fuel flow is not calibrated yet so not = sure how close the GPH likely to be and therefore power levels.
I wonder what HP she is making.

Checked the dwell: See photo showing Rotor #1 T and L signals = to D585 coils. Appears to be close to 4mSec=E2=80=99s Checked the signal = from the CAS=E2=80=99s: See photo of signals coming from the Primary and = Backup I disconnected the Backup CAS and Engine still runs on B so??? = (I=E2=80=99m sure I set BUSENSOR in the code) Sorry about the glare on = the CRO screen.

          &nb= sp; 
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