X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: Received: from resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.36] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.8) with ESMTPS id 8379704 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 03 Feb 2016 21:29:17 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=69.252.207.36; envelope-from=hoursaway1@comcast.net Received: from resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net ([69.252.207.114]) by resqmta-ch2-04v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id E2U31s0012Udklx012V0YW; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 02:29:00 +0000 Received: from resmail-ch2-632v.sys.comcast.net ([162.150.50.156]) by resomta-ch2-18v.sys.comcast.net with comcast id E2V01s00A3NCDde012V0w0; Thu, 04 Feb 2016 02:29:00 +0000 Date: Thu, 4 Feb 2016 02:29:00 +0000 (UTC) To: "Fly rotary blog, e-mail" Message-ID: <1757983548.18018882.1454552940062.JavaMail.zimbra@comcast.net> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Welding MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18018881_1276558554.1454552940061" X-Originating-IP: [::ffff:68.49.229.174] X-Mailer: Zimbra 8.0.7_GA_6031 (ZimbraWebClient - IE7 (Win)/8.0.7_GA_6031) Thread-Topic: Welding Thread-Index: 63ki2H13PHAK5Zm78QbLg1uQCvqVTw== DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=comcast.net; s=q20140121; t=1454552940; bh=LMYG5J9YVYoWXCJqgD++L4GbGnLlf+68FQ0M9IZXLrY=; h=Received:Received:Date:From:To:Message-ID:Subject:MIME-Version: Content-Type; b=AUCIf0NToZ8Xa4aSEQ8Mxoo5h3GTrxIRl3JvQdhOyBhOtJpy0/fhAbDL0BAfzbLX/ gC51lFcbI+TWJwrD3H3i43cySNk7tBp+qbIpq4aAzQMGsM51bHBn6/M8yd5HcKpR7t nqWiswZJ3lRyTYtdWvRmPof6UIVyMbTqt1WUeBNTEAEe8W3X/Isxwo5xAQmo7LUMcq YxyTDfYgJWaeo83uCyeogjO2l0W8ywKF+pUse/pk8OwIoW6DWdrl0dGduNGywy1k7P IRxhr8i0paGryoTtpZA5wO3OqtguIFLz/+Lwfvm5SjtMksVO5FcJk4q/BWGq2sSQVW CTCPqZekN9oOA== ------=_Part_18018881_1276558554.1454552940061 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable That was a good one,,,the only thing I have is stick welding an old Chevy L= ove truck 6' snow plow blade to a 1963 International Scout I found out you = can'nt just use black lens goggle's unless you were trying to get a sun bur= n in a garage.=C2=A0 David R. Cook=C2=A0 RV6A Rotary=C2=A0( the church is s= till using the Scout to plow.)=20 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark McClure" =20 To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" =20 Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 6:28:22 PM=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Fw: Welding=20 John - You are a great story teller. I was loudly chuckling to myself. Need= ed that today. Thanks!=20 Mark=20 On Feb 3, 2016, at 11:31 PM, John Downing < flyrotary@lancaironline.net > w= rote:=20 if you might be considering buying an older used unit, here is my experienc= e.=C2=A0 Hope you may get a chuckle from it.=C2=A0 Farmer John, w/Wittman W= -10 w/13B Mazda=20 ----- Original Message -----=20 From: John=20 To: Tailwind=20 Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:17 AM=20 Subject: Welding=20 Now that the fuselage is all welded up, piece of cake, it is time to move o= n to the the fuel tank.=C2=A0 I ask around at the local machine shops which= had the capability and no one wanted to take on the job.=C2=A0 So I called= down to the valley in the high rent district to the welding supply outfit = the company was using and and asked if they ever had any used TIG outfits, = the guy says we got one in last week and it was old but it worked well, so = I told him I would come down and take a look at it.=C2=A0 Well, it was old = all right, it looked like the one that Fred Flintstone and I took our instr= uction on, so I said, lets see it work.=C2=A0 The guy hooks up the ole buzz= box and the exciter box and all the other things and starts welding, well = it is doing a real nice job, so for $300.00 dollars I have a TIG outfit.=C2= =A0=C2=A0 The guy says what do you have to haul this in and I said the ole = Plymouth K-car wagon, he got a funny look on his face and said, drive aroun= d in back and I'll get the fork lift and we'll load this up.=C2=A0 We final= ly get all this equipment into the back of the ole wagon, by the way there = was over 100 ft of welding cable larger than my thumb for the stick operati= on.=20 =C2=A0=20 By the time all this was in the wagon the rear wheels were nearly cutting t= hru the sideways on the tires.=C2=A0 It was two=C2=A0blocks to the gas stat= ion and 45# of air in the rear tires gave them the appearance that I might = make it home if I didn't go over 40 mph.=C2=A0 I folded up my winter coat t= o set on so I might see over the dash and started out for home, thankfully = I only had 90 miles to go.=C2=A0 Those front wheel drive vehicles are not r= eal stable with the front tires just barely touching the ground.=C2=A0 It w= as one of those solar vortex days at 0 degrees and a 30 mph breeze, so I ha= d the freeway all to myself, I'm the only fool out there.=C2=A0 When I got = home, in hindsight I should have thrown a chain around it and a fence post = and never looked back.=20 =C2=A0=20 After getting every thing into the garage with the loader and getting all t= he cables hooked up to the many places and purchasing a tank and flow meter= it is time to practice on some aluminum.=C2=A0 So with the copper piece ly= ing on the=C2=A0aluminum, which is needed to start=C2=A0and stabilize the a= rc on these old machines.=C2=A0 Now the new Tig welders use square waves an= d round waves but these older machines use Death Waves, when you turn it on= you become aware that you have many fillings in your teeth.=C2=A0 Upon str= iking an arc and moving off the copper on to the aluminum, the metal seemed= to vaporize with aluminum scattering 10 feet in every direction, WOW!!!! (= censored).=C2=A0 Raising the hood, I'm thinking I must have gotten one of t= hose cables connected to the Outhouse by mistake.=C2=A0 Anyway I became awa= re that the garage door on my wife's side of the garage was cycling up and = down and smoke was coming out of the drive box, I unplugged the door opener= and noticed the wireless telephone was stuck on a continuous ring before i= t went POOF!! and died.=C2=A0=C2=A0I ran into the house to check on the wif= e, fully expecting to see her looking like a burnt piece of toast and the T= V in flames as she watched Oprah.=20 =C2=A0=20 The wife is okay and unaware that we could have lost the garage, house and = everything in all this excitement.=C2=A0 I ask her if she would like to go = out for lunch, realizing that this could have been real serious I stopped a= t the local steakhouse and relived myself of $30.00.=C2=A0 After dinner it = was up the road, she says were are we going, answer, you know we have been = having trouble with your garage door opener, well it died, so at sears, new= opener $150.00.=C2=A0 Now where!!=C2=A0 I've got to stop at the Big Box st= ore and pick up a new wireless phone, that cheap one just didn't last long,= another $20.00.=C2=A0 Two weeks later at the EAA meeting I was talking to = a fellow who doesn't come often and telling him about welding up the fuel t= ank and he says, I have one of those large Miller 220V machines in the gara= ge as his son is an aluminum welder and I should have brought it over.=C2= =A0 Will I use this machine again, I hope I've forgotten how to turn it on.= =C2=A0 If the price of copper stays high, I'll recover the cost.=C2=A0 Fath= er always said, to soon old, to late smart.=C2=A0 At my age I hope I live= =C2=A0long enough to see it happen.=C2=A0 Farmer John =C2=A0 .... It's a go= od thing I can't add, I think the numbers would scare me=20 ------=_Part_18018881_1276558554.1454552940061 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
That was a good one,,,the only thing I= have is stick welding an old Chevy Love truck 6' snow plow blade to a 1963= International Scout I found out you can'nt just use black lens goggle's un= less you were trying to get a sun burn in a garage.  David R. Cook&nbs= p; RV6A Rotary ( the church is still using the Scout to plow.)

From: "Mark McClure" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
To= : "Rotary motors in aircraft" <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Wednesday, February 3, 2016 6:28:22 PM
Subject: [FlyRo= tary] Re: Fw: Welding


John - You are a great story teller. I was loudly chuckling to myself.= Needed that today. Thanks!

Mark

On Feb 3, 2016, at 11:31 PM, John Downing <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

if you mi= ght be considering buying an older used unit, here is my experience.  = Hope you may get a chuckle from it.  Farmer John, w/Wittman W-10 w/13B= Mazda
----- = Original Message -----=20
From: John
Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:17 AM
Subject: Welding

Now that = the fuselage is all welded up, piece of cake, it is time to move on to the = the fuel tank.  I ask around at the local machine shops which had the = capability and no one wanted to take on the job.  So I called down to = the valley in the high rent district to the welding supply outfit the compa= ny was using and and asked if they ever had any used TIG outfits, the guy s= ays we got one in last week and it was old but it worked well, so I told hi= m I would come down and take a look at it.  Well, it was old all right= , it looked like the one that Fred Flintstone and I took our instruction on= , so I said, lets see it work.  The guy hooks up the ole buzz box and = the exciter box and all the other things and starts welding, well it is doi= ng a real nice job, so for $300.00 dollars I have a TIG outfit.  = The guy says what do you have to haul this in and I said the ole Plymouth = K-car wagon, he got a funny look on his face and said, drive around in back= and I'll get the fork lift and we'll load this up.  We finally get al= l this equipment into the back of the ole wagon, by the way there was over = 100 ft of welding cable larger than my thumb for the stick operation.
&n= bsp;
By the ti= me all this was in the wagon the rear wheels were nearly cutting thru the s= ideways on the tires.  It was two blocks to the gas station and 4= 5# of air in the rear tires gave them the appearance that I might make it h= ome if I didn't go over 40 mph.  I folded up my winter coat to set on = so I might see over the dash and started out for home, thankfully I only ha= d 90 miles to go.  Those front wheel drive vehicles are not real stabl= e with the front tires just barely touching the ground.  It was one of= those solar vortex days at 0 degrees and a 30 mph breeze, so I had the fre= eway all to myself, I'm the only fool out there.  When I got home, in = hindsight I should have thrown a chain around it and a fence post and never= looked back.
&n= bsp;
After get= ting every thing into the garage with the loader and getting all the cables= hooked up to the many places and purchasing a tank and flow meter it is ti= me to practice on some aluminum.  So with the copper piece lying on th= e aluminum, which is needed to start and stabilize the arc on the= se old machines.  Now the new Tig welders use square waves and round w= aves but these older machines use Death Waves, when you turn it on you beco= me aware that you have many fillings in your teeth.  Upon striking an = arc and moving off the copper on to the aluminum, the metal seemed to vapor= ize with aluminum scattering 10 feet in every direction, WOW!!!! (censored)= .  Raising the hood, I'm thinking I must have gotten one of those cabl= es connected to the Outhouse by mistake.  Anyway I became aware that t= he garage door on my wife's side of the garage was cycling up and down and = smoke was coming out of the drive box, I unplugged the door opener and noti= ced the wireless telephone was stuck on a continuous ring before it went PO= OF!! and died.  I ran into the house to check on the wife, fully = expecting to see her looking like a burnt piece of toast and the TV in flam= es as she watched Oprah.
 
The wife = is okay and unaware that we could have lost the garage, house and everythin= g in all this excitement.  I ask her if she would like to go out for l= unch, realizing that this could have been real serious I stopped at the loc= al steakhouse and relived myself of $30.00.  After dinner it was up th= e road, she says were are we going, answer, you know we have been having tr= ouble with your garage door opener, well it died, so at sears, new opener $= 150.00.  Now where!!  I've got to stop at the Big Box store and p= ick up a new wireless phone, that cheap one just didn't last long, another = $20.00.  Two weeks later at the EAA meeting I was talking to a fellow = who doesn't come often and telling him about welding up the fuel tank and h= e says, I have one of those large Miller 220V machines in the garage as his= son is an aluminum welder and I should have brought it over.  Will I = use this machine again, I hope I've forgotten how to turn it on.  If t= he price of copper stays high, I'll recover the cost.  Father always s= aid, to soon old, to late smart.  At my age I hope I live long en= ough to see it happen.  Farmer John .... It's a good thing I can't add, = I think the numbers would scare me

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