Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #62347
From: Steven W. Boese <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: parts upgrade; was: What do you think may be happening?
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2016 18:26:23 +0000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>

Bill,


The way the EC2 treats the cold switch when the MAP is below the staging threshold is to act as if the MAP is above the staging threshold when pin 30 is grounded.  Grounding pin 30 causes the EC2 to double the injector pulse width only when the MAP is above the staging threshold.  I've never seen a delay while the EC2 decides what to do. 


Measurements on my EC2's indicate that the pulse widths for the primary and secondary injectors are always the same regardless of the secondary injector differential (mode 6) setting.  It appears that adjusting mode 2 defines a flow rate for the primary injectors and adjusting mode 6 defines an average flow rate for the combination of the primary and secondary injectors.     


As a result, grounding pin 30 and removing power to either the primary or secondary injectors with a MAP below the staging MAP will most likely cause a mixture change because the EC2 is now calculating the injector pulse width using the flow rate determined by mode 6 instead of the one determined by mode 2.  With matched primary and secondary injectors, the end result should be the same mixture change no matter which injectors are disabled.


By using my suggested tuning procedure, the flow rates defined in mode 2 and in mode 6 will not be the same even if using matched primary and secondary injectors (which is a good thing as discussed previously). 


It is my opinion that Jeff has accurately described the reason for the delay in achieving stable conditions after activating the secondary injectors.  It takes some time for the fuel to reach the intake ports depending on the location of the secondary injector relative to the intake port. It also takes some time to remove the fuel from the secondary injector intake runner after disabling the secondary injector.  I have seen this indication many times in flight when crossing the staging threshold. 


Increasing the MAP from below the staging threshold to above it results in a momentary leaning of the mixture as seen on the O2 sensor.  If operating at already lean conditions, the engine will momentarily stumble.


Decreasing the MAP from above the staging threshold to below it results in a momentary richer mixture as seen on the O2 sensor.  I've never seen the engine stumble when making the change in this direction.


The things you describe do not seem to me to be an indication of an EC2 malfunction requiring repair to it.


Rather than try to come up with a special socket to work with the BR10IEX spark plugs, I bored out the rotor housings slightly so a standard socket could be used.  As shown in the photo, I took a wheel lug nut that I found lying in the street (I'm cheap too), machined it to fit the spark plug hole thread region, and inserted a cutting edge into the side of it.  This allowed me to counterbore the rotor housing with a socket wrench turning the lug nut.


Steve Boese

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> on behalf of Bill Bradburry <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Friday, January 29, 2016 8:16 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: parts upgrade; was: What do you think may be happening?
 

Steve,

 

Bobby Hughes suggested that I only test the disable switches at 3000 rpm or above.  So yesterday I tried that.  The secondary acted the same, slightly richer.  The primary caused the engine to cough and choke up a couple of hairballs, go really lean, then come back and run slightly richer just like the secondary.  They both came to a mixture of 11.6-11.7 after the disable.

 

This works the same on both A and B controllers.  I think this means that the EC-2 is working, although it is taking a while to get the decision made to turn on the secondary after it realizes that I have turned the primary off.  This time delay was causing the engine to stop when I ran the test at idle.  The way it acts might be a little disconcerting to a passenger if I tell them I am checking to make sure the engine runs ok….:>)

 

On another note, I took your advice and bought and installed the BR10EIX plugs yesterday after the test.  I found an old plug wrench and ground it down in order to get them installed.  Naturally the wrench was so thin that it cracked on the install.  I doubt that it will hold up to do a change.  I plan to get a wrench and have someone turn it down to fit.

 

I assume that you have already done this.  What dimension did you turn the socket to?  It seems that the opening in the block is one inch but the wrench would need some clearance?  I am way too tight to buy that wrench from Racing Beat for $82 + shipping!   :>)

 

 

Bill


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2016 9:36 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: parts upgrade; was: What do you think may be happening?

 

Bill,

 

Today I spent some time in my plane trying all the permutations and combinations of applying power to the primary injectors, secondary injectors, and grounding EC2 pin 30 with the cold switch.

 

It turns out that my statement in the message below concerning the effect of grounding EC2 pin 30 when cutting power to the secondary injectors when the MAP is below the staging threshold MAP was not correct.  When I did this today, the mixture went slightly richer just like you describe for your system.

 

As a result, my guess is that this behavior is most likely not an indication of a problem to be solved.

 

Steve Boese


From: Steven W. Boese
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 12:23 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: parts upgrade; was: What do you think may be happening?

 

Bill,

 

Turning on the cold start switch is intended to give you a much richer mixture when both the primary and secondary injectors are enabled.  So your system is working correctly in this regard.

 

Disabling the secondary injectors with the DPDT switch is intended to both cut the power to the secondary injectors and enable the cold start function (as if the cold switch was turned on).  This should have no effect on the engine at MAP below the staging threshold since the engine would be running on only the primary injectors just like it was before flipping the secondary disable switch. 

Your previous statement:

"With the engine idling at about 1400 rpm, and the mixture at about 14.7, I turned off the secondary and the engine ran a little differently and the mixture went to about 13.0."

is troubling since doing this should have had no effect whatsoever.  Is the mixture change persistent and reproducible?  If the mixture eventually (within a few seconds) returns to the original value, then your system is most likely working correctly in this regard too.

 

Steve Boese

 

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