Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #62144
From: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: To P or not...
Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2015 06:41:50 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Hi bill

I had a rotary engine rebuilder here in Australia do the boring and placement of the p ports, I could find out exactly where they were placed if you like, as for the extra ports they were jammed with aluminium foil to a depth of approx 20 mm from the iron surface and then jb weld filled theme approx .5mm from the surface.
The water jackets directly around the ports were also filled with job weld flush with the housings, so far to date I have pulled the engine apart after about 60 hrs to rectify a heating issue I had ( my fault, when I rebuilt it originally I had swapped the rotors around doh, was getting warmer than it should due to more exhaust overlap)

I'll see if I can find some pictures of my ports before I installed them

Cheers


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On 8 Oct 2015, at 1:17 am, Bill Bradburry <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Christian,

 

While you are doing that, you could also include some info on your pporting of the Renesis.  How did you know where to bore the holes for proper timing and how did you seal the water jacket?  I assume that you just plugged up the original ports with JB weld or something?

 

Thanks,

One of the other Bills

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, October 07, 2015 9:04 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: To P or not...

 

can you give details on your custom built hotdog with inox? baffling.

 

Thanks

Bill Schertz

 

Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 11:08 PM

Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: To P or not...

 

I would agree, yes it worked out to be allot more simpler running 2 x 2" runners than playing with 4 in my opinion and  easier to manufactur etc

From modifying my engine from a not so good 6 port intake to a simple 2 port intake I gained a good 30-40 hp and 15 k top end

The noise also isn't that bad on my renises as I've attached a custom built hotdog underneath with inox baffling which works well



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On 7 Oct 2015, at 1:34 pm, Mark McClure <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Trying to ensure I have a complete knowledge before I make my decision,

 

The P port as shown for the website is exactly what we are looking for. Straight forward power at high rpm.  The noise is a factor of energy output which is the same. 

 

If I tune a 4 port runner system and get x amount of air into the engine I give y amount of fuel and I have z amount of power and engine exhaust/noise to handle.

 

If I use a P port and get x amount of air and give y amount of fuel it is the exact same z output.  It was just easier to get x amount of air into the system.

 

Or am I completely off base.

 


On Oct 6, 2015, at 2:17 PM, William Jepson <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Bob,
One thing that everyone should get clear is that for aircraft PPorts are almost always superior. At higher RPMs. Also Pports will idle just fine. Good balance and vibration control are the key to good idle. The engine won't make a lot of power at low rpm but that isn't a problem for an aircraft. The rotary makes a better aircraft engine than a car engine!

Bill Jepson

On Oct 6, 2015 9:14 AM, "Rogers, Bob J." <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

You should read the description of the effects of P-porting at this website.  See bottom entry.   http://www.mazdarotary.net/porting.htm  And it is loud!!!  See https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jebl2pWaiWI

Bob J. Rogers

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From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, October 06, 2015 10:33 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] To P or not...

I understand the benefits of P porting the engine.  And I think I know the answer to my question but thought I'd verify.

Looking for 180-200 hp.  I have a freshly overhauled 2004 4 port 13b.
If the intake and exhaust are built right I should have no problem getting that power NA.

If I P port the intake it will be easier to make 200 or more. however it is just easier to get air into the engine, and therefore more fuel. But it is not by any means more fuel efficient?

So therefore if I don't need the power I don't need to P port.

Mark


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