X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: Received: from omr-m01.mx.aol.com ([64.12.143.75] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.2) with ESMTPS id 7739093 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 07 Jun 2015 21:10:11 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=64.12.143.75; envelope-from=ARGOLDMAN@aol.com Received: from mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com [172.26.253.85]) by omr-m01.mx.aol.com (Outbound Mail Relay) with ESMTP id B4625700000B6 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 21:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from core-aba01a.mail.aol.com (core-aba01.mail.aol.com [172.27.22.1]) by mtaomg-mcc01.mx.aol.com (OMAG/Core Interface) with ESMTP id 84B2638000082 for ; Sun, 7 Jun 2015 21:09:35 -0400 (EDT) Full-name: ARGOLDMAN Message-ID: <18aef7.8c5f94d.42a6454e@aol.com> Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2015 21:09:16 -0400 Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: new operating question To: flyrotary@lancaironline.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="part1_18aef7.8c5f94d.42a6454e_boundary" X-Mailer: AOL 9.7 sub 4049 X-Originating-IP: [67.167.236.80] x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20140625; t=1433725775; bh=S+aMva3qPwEQzeow9c5kIzmzUQ3VU8EwkFJRsPUfyKA=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-ID:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=VhD57jeabBCHkGjkNO91Dg1FuteR0T8g1OGOBZd8ZLGmqdm9KpLKjzoOuv17uoDo8 VcmXJkaMKyXIDXUsdliQQg4H2jNWkEPbTgALeWQ4GfDFzw0gZjMvvrvqkAPt7amP0+ 5WR9c74CAYPF0tlzvUAwb4dsgJknAE7jmQ5xQ6Pc= x-aol-sid: 3039ac1afd555574eb4f254c --part1_18aef7.8c5f94d.42a6454e_boundary Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit And thanks to all for your responses Rich In a message dated 6/7/2015 8:06:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: Thanks Bill that is what I am looking for Rich In a message dated 6/7/2015 2:59:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time, flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes: Rich, I am flying the NA Renesis with MT electric prop and wideband O2 sensor. Take off and initial climb is WOT with 7100 rpm, after about 500 ft AGL, I dial the prop back to 6500 rpm, still WOT. Cruise climb is WOT and 6000-6200 rpm, and cruise is WOT and 5200-5800 rpm. All climbs are at 12.0-12.5 F/A mixture and cruise is 15.8-16.0 F/A mixture. I never move the throttle off of wide open until I am slowing to enter the pattern for landing. Engine speed is controlled with the prop and power to some extent with the mixture. I have hopes that after Bobby makes his decision as to whether to go with the turbo or the 20B, he will give me the other one! :>) Bill ____________________________________ From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 10:25 AM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: new operating question Rich, My normal, not in a hurry settings. 38" MP / 7000 rpm for takeoff and initial climb with F/A 12.5-12.0. Cruise climb 5800 rpm 30-32" MP F/A 13.5- 12.5. Preferred cruise rpm 4800- 5200 At less than 30" MP and F/A 15.8-16.0. Full throttle. Prop rpm controls engine rpm and super charger bypass controls MP. A turbo charger and automotive waste gate would likely require throttle management during high rpm operations. Bobby Hughes Super charged Renesis with electric MT prop. (New Turbo charger and a 20B on the bench- still haven't made a decision about upgrading the RV10. ) Sent from my iPad On Jun 7, 2015, at 9:34 AM, ARGOLDMAN <_flyrotary@lancaironline.net_ (mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net) > wrote: Greetings genlepeople of the rotary pursuasion, For those of you using variable pitch (C/S) props, an operating question that has been bugging me. Perhaps the collective wisdom of this group can set my mind at rest. In piston aircraft engines, the concept of running over squared MP vs RPM has been heavily questioned to the extent that some suggest running at full throttle all the time and controlling the power output via RPM (within reason). The thought is to, I believe, eliminate the induction restriction of the butterfly valve increasing the efficiency. Now we have a rotor spinning, a gear box gearing and a propeller propelling. Does this concept hold true for the rotaries. What are people doing in terms of setting power after take off (full throttle max RPM). My enquiring and rotating mind wants to know. (Unturbocharged Renesis with RD1-c Box) Thanks Rich --part1_18aef7.8c5f94d.42a6454e_boundary Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
And thanks to all for your responses
 
Rich
 
In a message dated 6/7/2015 8:06:07 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:
Thanks Bill that is what I am looking for
 
Rich
 
In a message dated 6/7/2015 2:59:50 P.M. Central Daylight Time,=20 flyrotary@lancaironline.net writes:

Rich,<= /o:p>

I am flying= the NA=20 Renesis with MT electric prop and wideband O2=20 sensor.

 =

Take off an= d=20 initial climb is WOT with 7100 rpm, after about 500 ft AGL, I dial the= prop=20 back to 6500 rpm, still WOT.  Cruise climb is WOT and 6000-6200= rpm,=20 and cruise is WOT and 5200-5800 rpm.  All climbs are at 12.0-12.5= F/A=20 mixture and cruise is 15.8-16.0 F/A mixture.<= /P>

 =

I never mov= e the=20 throttle off of wide open until I am slowing to enter the pattern for= =20 landing.  Engine speed is controlled with the prop and power to= some=20 extent with the mixture.

 =

I have hope= s that=20 after Bobby makes his decision as to whether to go with the turbo or= the=20 20B, he will give me the other one!  =20 :>)

 =

Bill=20

 =

From= :=20 Rotary motors in aircraft= =20 [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Sunday, June 07, 2015 10:= 25=20 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: new op= erating=20 question

 

Rich, 

My normal, not in a hurry=20 settings. 

 

38" MP / 7000 rpm for takeoff and initial cl= imb with=20 F/A 12.5-12.0. Cruise climb 5800 rpm 30-32" MP F/A 13.5- 12.5. Preferr= ed=20 cruise rpm 4800- 5200 At less than 30" MP and F/A 15.8-16.0.  Ful= l=20 throttle.  Prop rpm controls engine rpm and super charger bypass= =20 controls MP. A turbo charger and automotive waste gate would likely re= quire=20 throttle management during high rpm=20 operations. 

 

Bobby=20 Hughes 

Super charged Renesis with electric MT=20 prop.

(New Turbo charger and a 20B on the bench-= still=20 haven't made a decision about upgrading the RV10.=20 )

 



Sent from my=20 iPad


On Jun 7,= 2015, at=20 9:34 AM, ARGOLDMAN <flyrotary@lancaironline.ne= t>=20 wrote:

Greeting= s=20 genlepeople of the rotary pursuasion,

 

For thos= e of you=20 using variable pitch (C/S) props, an operating question that has bee= n=20 bugging me. Perhaps the collective wisdom of this group can set my= mind at=20 rest.

 

In pisto= n=20 aircraft engines, the concept of running over squared  MP = vs RPM=20 has been heavily questioned to the extent that some suggest running= at=20 full throttle all the time and controlling the power output via RPM= =20 (within reason). The thought is to, I believe, eliminate the inducti= on=20 restriction of the butterfly valve increasing the=20 efficiency.

 

Now we= have a=20 rotor spinning, a gear box gearing and a propeller propelling. Does= this=20 concept hold true for the rotaries. What are people doing in terms= of=20 setting power after take off (full throttle max=20 RPM).

 

My enqui= ring and=20 rotating mind wants to know. 

 

(Unturbo= charged=20 Renesis with RD1-c Box)

 

Thanks

 

Rich

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