Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #61823
From: Neil Unger <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Subject: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System photo of bottom
Date: Sun, 17 May 2015 08:50:42 +1000
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
 
 
From: Neil Unger
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2015 8:30 AM
Subject: Fw: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System photo of bottom
 
Admin says this was rejected and not posted. I cannot recall, so here it is again.  Neil
 
From: Neil Unger
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 8:07 AM
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System photo of bottom
 
Bill, Very, very interesting.  I have a renisis with P port, supposedly 250 HP.  So I ordered a prop for that HP etc.  Static on ground could not get above 6300 rpm.  Very little change in the air.  The plane flew well but certainly not 250 Hp worth.  So eventually I ordered a ground adjustable for 200 HP.  With Factory setting of the prop, I can now get 7500 rpm static, and again little more in the air.  Without a dyno, I believe that I am only getting 200 – 220 HP at best.  So that is fine if extra Hp is not required.   I feel I am certainly not getting the 250 HP being promoted.  My new PSRU at 3.12 reduction should finally be out by the end of the month, so with the extra engine revs, I might push 230 Hp plus???   I dream on.  I really do not need 250 HP, but believe now that I will not get that even if I have to.  Lots of noise coming as I try and destroy the PSRU on the ground.  Neil in OZ
 
Sent: Friday, May 15, 2015 5:12 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System photo of bottom
 

Well, I really like my rotary and I am happy that I chose that engine.  It is really smooth and I like the sound of it, but I have to admit that I was led down the primrose path a bit on what to expect in performance.  I also think a lot of others are as well.  We toss out HP numbers with abandon but they have little to do with what you really get with the engine.

 

The rotary is an RPM engine.  It makes very little torque and gets its HP from RPM.  These RPMs are in ranges that we just don’t achieve with the airplane.  Nobody cruises at 8500 rpm, or even hits that number on takeoff, yet that is the rpm that the HP numbers are reported.

 

When I first cranked my engine, I had a Performance Prop that was designed to give a 200 mph cruise at 6000 rpm.  I could only get a static rpm of about 4500 out of it.  I was concerned that I would not have enough power for a take off!  I lucked out and found an MT electric and I now start my takeoff run at 7100 rpm.  I think that with my homemade intake and exhaust, that I am somewhere between 180 and 200 HP at that rpm.  We are talking sea level here.  When I moved to Texas I noticed a definite loss of power taking off from a 1000 ft field vs a field elevation of 55 ft.  if you pull the rpms back to 5500-6000 for cruise and climb up to 8000 ft, you are talking about a serious drop in power.  I am probably in the 125 hp range up there.  I really would have to think about it before I would land at a field that was 6-7K feet of elevation.

 

I have attached a file of dynos of various engines.  The top graph is a 20B that is boosted to 45 inches.  I doubt any of us would boost above 38-40 inches, so all those numbers would be lower for us.  The middle is a 1987 NA 13B that is making about 165 HP at 6500 and the last is a Renesis that is using the factory bells and whistles on the intake that I had to remove and throw away.  It is also a 6 port which breathes better than the 4 port that I have.

 

So if you looked at one of those graphs and the power produced at your rpm and reduced it by the altitude you are flying at, you will see that you are not getting the power that you were probably thinking about when you made the decision to install the engine.  I am not saying anything negative about the engines or my decision to install it.  I am just saying we should be realistic and understand what we are doing.

 


From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Thursday, May 14, 2015 11:03 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System photo of bottom

 

Bill,

I bought my 20B from another builder ($2600.)

I thought about a two rotor of some sort with a turbo but it kind of went against the logic of why I wanted a rotary in the first place.

The difference in weight for 300hp (and simple) vs. ~260 with the turbo was a good compromise in my judgement.

 

T Mann

 


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