X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Ed Anderson" Received: from [107.14.166.228] (HELO cdptpa-oedge-vip.email.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1.2) with ESMTP id 7687499 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Tue, 12 May 2015 16:46:58 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=107.14.166.228; envelope-from=eanderson@carolina.rr.com Return-Path: Received: from [174.110.171.30] ([174.110.171.30:53899] helo=EdPC) by cdptpa-oedge03 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 3.5.0.35861 r(Momo-dev:tip)) with ESMTP id 8D/DC-13081-F9662555; Tue, 12 May 2015 20:46:23 +0000 Message-ID: <91013E81F5A447CF937301354E848A8D@EdPC> To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System Date: Tue, 12 May 2015 16:46:25 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/related; type="multipart/alternative"; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01D08CD3.2F5349C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 16.4.3528.331 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V16.4.3528.331 X-RR-Connecting-IP: 107.14.168.142:25 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01D08CD3.2F5349C0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_001_0041_01D08CD3.2F5349C0" ------=_NextPart_001_0041_01D08CD3.2F5349C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Good question, Bobby To answer it, no I did not have a problem =E2=80=93 however, that is = likely because I had read of the problem that several folks have had if = there were an air leak in the oil pickup line =E2=80=93 air apparently = suck much easier than oil {). So I used the stock flat seal between the plate and the oil pickup = fitting on the inside. Then through a hole in the plate, I inserted the = pickup tube (aluminum =E2=80=93 1/2=E2=80=9D dia as best I recall = )=E2=80=93 whatever the largest diameter that would fit inside the oil = pickup hole. Then on the outside of the plate I had a fitting = (3/16=E2=80=9D thick =E2=80=93 I think) that had a 1/2=E2=80=9D dia hole = in it =E2=80=93 through which the tube ran. The plate and this fitting = used the two stock oil pickup bolt holes (so you need two holes in the = plate for them) to hold this fitting. On the underside of the fitting = facing the plate I used a large drill to make the area around the tube = hole concave. Into this I selected a fuel resistance = =E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D ring that was large enough to be compressed against = the tube and the plate when I tighten the bolts. =20 That is the method I used, but there may well be better methods = =E2=80=93 it worked for me for over 400 hours Ed From: Bobby J. Hughes=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:39 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System Thanks Ed. The standoff is not visible in the picture but I had guessed = you did something similar. Any issues with sealing the oil pickup tube = to the block off plate and front iron? =20 Bobby =20 From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:23 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System =20 Hi Bobby, =20 I believe the things you have the arrows pointing to are triangular = shaped braces that support the oil sump to the oil pan. The are welded = to top of sump and plate. =20 To access the bolts in the area of the sump, I stood the 4=E2=80=9Dx = 4=E2=80=9D tubing I used for the sump off from the pan about 1 =E2=80=93 = 1 1/2=E2=80=9D. I did this by using a 1=E2=80=9D x 1 1/2=E2=80=9D = rectangular tube (its end=E2=80=99s plugged) welded to both the plate = and the sump. Then 3/4=E2=80=9D dia (I think around 6 holes) holes = were drilled through plate, standoff and sump for the oil to return to = the sump =E2=80=93 probably best to drill holes before welding = components together, but they can be drilled from the inside plate side = =E2=80=93 just make sure you get all shavings out. This stand-off also = gave you access to around 3-4 pan bolts. Depending on your set up these = may or may not be a pain to unscrew, but it can be done. =20 The round tall blue tube served as oil fill tube and dip stick tube. It = was threaded internally at the top and a threaded plug with a hole = drilled in it for the dip stick was used. =20 The aluminum tubes were coolant (front) and air/oil separator (which I = took off after two years of flying with it and it collecting no oil, = because the rotary simply was not spitting any out. =20 Ed =20 From: Bobby J. Hughes=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:57 PM To: Rotary motors in aircraft=20 Subject: [FlyRotary] Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil System =20 Ed, I have a couple of question about your plug up installation. How do you = access the oil pan bolts located behind the oil reservoir and allow for = oil drain back? Also I see what looks like an additional tube (black = arrow) in the attached photo. Can=E2=80=99t figure out what it=E2=80=99s = for. Is it a support bracket? =20 Thanks, =20 Bobby Hughes =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- -- Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2015.0.5863 / Virus Database: 4342/9756 - Release Date: = 05/12/15 No virus found in this message. 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Good question, Bobby
 
To answer it, no I did not have a problem =E2=80=93 however, that = is likely because=20 I had read of the problem that several folks have had if there were an = air leak=20 in the oil pickup line =E2=80=93 air apparently suck much easier than = oil {).
 
So I used the stock flat seal between the plate and the oil pickup = fitting=20 on the inside.  Then through a hole in the plate, I inserted the = pickup=20 tube (aluminum =E2=80=93 1/2=E2=80=9D dia as best I recall )=E2=80=93 = whatever the largest diameter that=20 would fit inside the oil pickup hole.  Then on the outside of the = plate I=20 had a fitting (3/16=E2=80=9D thick =E2=80=93 I think) that had a = 1/2=E2=80=9D dia hole in it =E2=80=93 through=20 which the tube ran.  The plate and this fitting used the two stock = oil=20 pickup bolt holes (so you need two holes in the plate for them) to hold = this=20 fitting.  On the underside of the fitting facing the plate I used a = large=20 drill to make the area around the tube hole concave.  Into this I = selected=20 a fuel resistance =E2=80=9CO=E2=80=9D ring that was large enough to be = compressed against the=20 tube and the plate when I tighten the bolts. 
 
That is the method I used, but there may well be better methods = =E2=80=93 it worked=20 for me for over 400 hours
 
Ed
 
Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2015 3:39 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP = Oil=20 System
 

Thanks Ed. The = standoff is not=20 visible in the picture but I had guessed  you did something = similar. Any=20 issues with sealing the oil pickup tube to the block off plate and front = iron?

 

Bobby

 

From: Rotary = motors in=20 aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, = May 12,=20 2015 3:23 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Re: Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil=20 System

 

Hi=20 Bobby,

 

I=20 believe the things you have the arrows pointing to are triangular shaped = braces=20 that support the oil sump to the oil pan.  The are welded to top of = sump=20 and plate.

 

To=20 access the bolts in the area of the sump, I stood the 4=E2=80=9Dx = 4=E2=80=9D tubing I used for=20 the sump off from the pan about 1 =E2=80=93 1 1/2=E2=80=9D.  I did = this by using a 1=E2=80=9D x 1=20 1/2=E2=80=9D rectangular tube (its end=E2=80=99s plugged) welded to both = the plate and the=20 sump.  Then 3/4=E2=80=9D dia  (I think around 6 holes) holes = were drilled=20 through plate, standoff and sump for the oil to return to the sump = =E2=80=93 probably=20 best to drill holes before welding components together, but they can be = drilled=20 from the inside plate side =E2=80=93 just make sure you get all shavings = out.  This=20 stand-off also gave you access to around 3-4 pan bolts.  Depending = on your=20 set up these may or may not be a pain  to unscrew, but it can be=20 done.

 

The=20 round tall blue tube served as oil fill tube and dip stick tube. It was = threaded=20 internally at the top and a threaded plug with a hole drilled in it for = the dip=20 stick was used.

 

The=20 aluminum tubes were coolant (front) and air/oil separator (which I took = off=20 after two years of flying with it and it collecting no oil, because the = rotary=20 simply was not spitting any out.

 

Ed

 

From: Bobby J. Hughes=20

Sent:=20 Tuesday, May 12, 2015 2:57 PM

To: Rotary motors in = aircraft=20

Subject:=20 [FlyRotary] Questions for Ed Anderson- Plugs UP Oil=20 System

 

Ed,

I have a couple of = question about=20 your plug up installation. How do you access the oil pan bolts located = behind=20 the oil reservoir and allow for oil drain back? Also I see what looks = like an=20 additional tube (black arrow) in the attached photo. Can=E2=80=99t = figure out what it=E2=80=99s=20 for. Is it a  support bracket?

 

Thanks,

 

Bobby = Hughes

 

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