X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Tracy" Received: from mail-qc0-f172.google.com ([209.85.216.172] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1c4) with ESMTPS id 7476416 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 08:17:10 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.216.172; envelope-from=rwstracy@gmail.com Received: by mail-qc0-f172.google.com with SMTP id x3so22282031qcv.3 for ; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 05:16:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=subject:references:from:content-type:in-reply-to:message-id:date:to :content-transfer-encoding:mime-version; bh=EAe8DuBfNlgbyCBigXzM+GU42jsfrri+XapJKv78WaE=; b=cHRfrENIdPaOmt/0xggrdL6tR6P7VG2SYL2bd+o1hlGXSlYKUxDI0A29h8xNf8qkuK HN6EeBUA15Pm7JbEWD+RwRPqDExh7QcDH9tKPr3c0rH8H5gddtA4ymKhnB/c85HHh6JQ OXsxaY5rJXLycewQP5lu31BpZUJFLVqtH5CNgCxf4D1/byLKZGdqjYOP2lCve/UEn2WH wEtPzIudo7vEBdLxBAylk6Byt0hxwI4oifoMETeZ0FVjKE2KmxyibOBc2rNEk02NtcMu RG9VgPTvwL2xcOmta+saunraYgGR0l2Eu8QMcaA+7DAFJePvZCMHVSHFAI5Z7RgqTR+X MOLQ== X-Received: by 10.224.79.144 with SMTP id p16mr25898426qak.84.1423487795222; Mon, 09 Feb 2015 05:16:35 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [10.247.92.19] (201.sub-174-228-194.myvzw.com. [174.228.194.201]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f46sm11795861qgd.3.2015.02.09.05.16.33 for (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 09 Feb 2015 05:16:34 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B weight References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-FA178049-74B8-4A04-9583-5FA02EDBAD8D X-Mailer: iPad Mail (12B440) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <26FB25DA-DF6E-4A78-940D-D57FC023276B@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2015 08:16:30 -0500 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-FA178049-74B8-4A04-9583-5FA02EDBAD8D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Kelly, If you built an airplane, put a 20B in it and needed an EC3 to finish it,= I couldn't say no. So I'd say your chances are pretty good if I'm still ki= ck'n. Tracy=20 Sent from my iPad > On Feb 8, 2015, at 19:20, Kelly Troyer wrote= : >=20 > Thanks Tracy.........If I needed a EC3 for the 20B what would my chances b= e ??.......... >=20 > Kelly=20 >=20 >> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Tracy wrote= : >> IIRC, the bare 13B block weighed 180 with water pump but nothing else, no= t even the oil pan. >>=20 >> The 20B was 70 pounds heavier but that was with a 13B waterpump setup, no= t the heavier 20B pump assembly. >>=20 >> Tracy=20 >>=20 >> Sent from my iPad >>=20 >>> On Feb 8, 2015, at 13:36, Kelly Troyer wro= te: >>>=20 >>> Thanks Mark..........Very possible I will buy the 20B I mentioned so aft= er stripping all the=20 >>> unneeded auto stuff off I will have at least a a bare block weight......= ..I certainly would go=20 >>> for the alum RX8 water-pump/housing mod that you have..........I already= have the RX8=20 >>> alum front cover.........Not sure I would do the P-port mod as these thi= ngs already have=20 >>> more power than I will ever need for my project..........Was planning on= a Turbo 13B but >>> the added weight and complexity of the turbo tends to make the NA 20B lo= ok doable..... >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Kelly=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9:12 AM, Bill Bradburry wrote: >>>> Mark, >>>>=20 >>>> You posted some videos on utube a while back. Have you made any recent= ly? Folks like me really like to watch them! >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> Bill >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]=20= >>>> Sent: Sunday, February 08, 2015 5:13 AM >>>> To: Rotary motors in aircraft >>>> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B weight >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> Kelly, >>>>=20 >>>> That's a tough one. The 3-rotor weight typically quoted is 295#, but th= is isn't fwf. Take into account that I am running dual alternators, an alumi= num Renesis water pump housing and aluminum water pump, p-port intake, and i= t is difficult to say the fwf weight. What I can say is that my a/c weighed i= n at 2050#, which is very close to the typical Lycoming Lancair. Going by th= at, I would guess that my fwf 20b weighs close to what a fwf IO-540 weighs. >>>>=20 >>>> Going at it from a different angle, I believe the W&B showed about 550#= on the nose gear. That would be a pretty good ballpark number for FWF. Its b= een a while, so I would have to check the logs to see exactly what the weigh= ts were when first inspected. >>>>=20 >>>> Mark >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Kelly Troyer wrote: >>>>=20 >>>> Mark, >>>>=20 >>>> Can you give me a wire wall forward weight of your 20B minus the oil & w= ater radiators >>>>=20 >>>> and your constant speed prop or your best estimate ??........... >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> Thanks, >>>>=20 >>>> =20 >>>>=20 >>>> Kelly >>>>=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-FA178049-74B8-4A04-9583-5FA02EDBAD8D Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Kelly,
   If yo= u built an airplane, put a 20B in it and needed an EC3 to finish it, I could= n't say no.  So I'd say your chances are pretty good if I'm still kick'= n.

Tracy 

Sent from my iPad
<= br>On Feb 8, 2015, at 19:20, Kelly Troyer <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Thanks Tracy.........If I neede= d a EC3 for the 20B what would my chances be ??..........

Kelly 

On Sun= , Feb 8, 2015 at 3:18 PM, Tracy <flyrotary@lancaironline.net&g= t; wrote:
IIRC= , the bare 13B block weighed 180 with water pump but nothing else, not even t= he oil pan.

The 20B was 70 pounds heavier but that w= as with a 13B waterpump setup, not the heavier 20B pump assembly.
=
Tracy 

Sent from my iPad

On Feb 8, 2015, at 13:36, Kelly Troyer <flyrotary@lancaironline.net= > wrote:

Tha= nks Mark..........Very possible I will buy the 20B I mentioned so after stri= pping all the 
unneeded auto stuff off I will have at least a a bar= e block weight........I certainly would go 
for the alum RX8 w= ater-pump/housing mod that you have..........I already have the RX8 
alum front cover.........Not sure I would do the P-port mod as these= things already have 
more power than I will ever need for my= project..........Was planning on a Turbo 13B but
the added weight= and complexity of the turbo tends to make the NA 20B look doable.....
=

Thanks,
Kelly 


On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 9= :12 AM, Bill Bradburry <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>= wrote:

Mark,

You posted some videos on utube= a while back.  Have you made any recently?  Folks like me really like to watch them!

 

Bill

 

From: Rotary m= otors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net]
Sent: Sunday, February 08, 20= 15 5:13 AM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: 20B weight

 

Kelly,

That's a tough one. The 3-rotor weight typically quoted is 295#, but this isn't fwf. Take into accou= nt that I am running dual alternators, an aluminum Renesis water pump housing a= nd aluminum water pump, p-port intake, and it is difficult to say the fwf weigh= t. What I can say is that my a/c weighed in at 2050#, which is very close to th= e typical Lycoming Lancair. Going by that, I would guess that my fwf 20b weighs close t= o what a fwf IO-540 weighs.

Going at it from a different angle, I believe the W&B showed about 550# on the nose gear. T= hat would be a pretty good ballpark number for FWF. Its been a while, so I would= have to check the logs to see exactly what the weights were when first inspected.

Mark

 

On Sun, Feb 8, 2015 at 2:59 AM, Kelly Troyer <flyrotary@lancai= ronline.net> wrote:

Mark,

Can you give me a wire wall forward weight of your 20B= minus the oil & water radiators

and your constant speed prop or your best estimate ??.= ..........

 

Thanks,

 

Kelly

 

 









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