X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com From: "Mark McClure" Received: from st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.172.220.236] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.1c1) with ESMTPS id 7330813 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:37:49 -0500 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.172.220.236; envelope-from=markmcclure@me.com Received: from [10.0.1.39] (ip70-160-53-201.hr.hr.cox.net [70.160.53.201]) by st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.33.0 64bit (built Aug 27 2014)) with ESMTPSA id <0NGE00HRM4A1GV10@st11p02mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Wed, 10 Dec 2014 23:37:14 +0000 (GMT) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_BB5B0CDC-69B7-41E0-A527-27AAA3A6DCBF" Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.0 \(1985.4\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] smoke system control, was: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: the List Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 18:37:12 -0500 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-reply-to: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1985.4) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.13.68,1.0.33,0.0.0000 definitions=2014-12-10_09:2014-12-10,2014-12-10,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=1 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=7.0.1-1408290000 definitions=main-1412100225 --Apple-Mail=_BB5B0CDC-69B7-41E0-A527-27AAA3A6DCBF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Speaking with the same full authority - I would think it would make more = sense to go the 3 rotor route vs turbo or P port. =20 The greatest gains with a Turbo are seen above 10,000. Sure you will = get some HP bumps starting out - but you weigh more and you need to have = an intercooler (more drag). I know for turbo-normalized aircraft - they are generally seen as slower = until about 8 or 9 thousand. Not saying this would be true for you (as I = assume you would go for positive pressure not just SL) and by the sounds = of it you already have a baseline engine you are working with and just = trying to save money which a 3 rotor would not be. Mark McClure > On Dec 10, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Neil Unger = wrote: >=20 > Dave, > A few of us in OZ were discussing your engine with full = authority (Called ignorance) and wondered what engine you have and what = your thoughts are re the turbo. Is it worth the effort?? Just looking = to save the P port cost, and get a slight HP boost, with the muffler = problem eliminated. Does it actually work that way, or is it too much = grief? Neil. > =20 > From: David Leonard > Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:04 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: smoke system control, was: Re: [FlyRotary] = Re: the List > =20 > everyone agrees that although the sound of my rotary is a cry for = attention, It does make the best smoke of the group. > =20 > Here is a picture of the pump placement > =20 > David Leonard > =20 > On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:38 AM, David Leonard = > = wrote: > I have smoke on my plane, I just used the same pump as the EFI pump = that Tracy used to sell. it weighs less than a pound and puts out about = the right flow rate. Built in check valve. I have not problem with = leaking. instant cutoff. Tank is in the wing and pump in the wing root = which keeps the system and oil smell out of the baggage area. > =20 > The rotary makes nice hot exhaust which is great for supporting a lot = of oil without leaving a residue (except for the 2-stroke oil) > =20 > Dave Leonard > =20 > On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Charlie England = > = wrote: > = http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=3D1417917551-356-672&a= ction=3Dsearch = >=20 > This is made to control fuel to primer ports on a carb'd engine, but = would probably do the job. No idea how well it would survive the heat of = the engine compartment, where it would need to be for a quick/clean = cutoff. Maybe mounted low on the firewall away from the air exit, with = the lines running uphill to the smoke port on the exhaust? >=20 > Charlie >=20 > On 12/6/2014 2:59 PM, hoursaway1 wrote: >> Yep, I'm here in Michigan doing holiday stuff & visiting kids/grand = kids. also am working on a smoke sys. for the RV6A Rotary, want min. 3 = gal., portable, useing automotive fuel pump, looking for a solinoid = valve control for flow ( no dribbling soft smoke trail ). David R. Cook >> =20 >> =20 >> From: "Fly rotary blog, e-mail" mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net = >> To: "Fly rotary blog, e-mail" mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net = >> Sent: Friday, December 5, 2014 10:10:54 PM >> Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: the List >> =20 >> The last message that I seem to have received from the list was = 11/19. this=20 >> is a test to see if I have inadvertently been dropped. >> Bill Schertz >=20 > =20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html = >=20 > =20 >=20 > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --Apple-Mail=_BB5B0CDC-69B7-41E0-A527-27AAA3A6DCBF Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Speaking with the same full authority - I would think it = would make more sense to go the 3 rotor route vs turbo or P port. =  

The greatest = gains with a Turbo are seen above 10,000.  Sure you will get some = HP bumps starting out - but you weigh more and you need to have an = intercooler (more drag).

I know for turbo-normalized aircraft - they are generally = seen as slower until about 8 or 9 thousand. Not saying this would be = true for you (as I assume you would go for positive pressure not just = SL) and by the sounds of it you already have a baseline engine you are = working with and just trying to save money which a 3 rotor would not = be.

Mark = McClure


On = Dec 10, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Neil Unger <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:

Dave,
          &nb= sp; A few of=20 us in OZ were discussing your engine with full authority (Called = ignorance) and=20 wondered what engine you have and what your thoughts are re the = turbo.  Is=20 it worth the effort??  Just looking to save the P port cost, and = get a=20 slight HP boost, with the muffler problem eliminated.  Does it = actually=20 work that way, or is it too much grief?  Neil.
=
 
From: David Leonard =
Sent: Thursday, December 11, 2014 8:04 = AM
To: Rotary motors in = aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: smoke system = control, was: Re: [FlyRotary]=20 Re: the List
 
=
everyone agrees that although the sound of = my rotary is a cry for=20 attention, It does make the best smoke of the group.=20
 
Here is a picture of the pump placement
 
David Leonard
 
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:38 AM, David = Leonard <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
I have smoke on my plane, I just used the = same pump as the EFI=20 pump that Tracy used to sell.  it weighs less than a pound and = puts out=20 about the right flow rate.  Built in check valve.  I have = not=20 problem with leaking. instant cutoff.  Tank is in the wing and = pump in=20 the wing root which keeps the system and oil smell out of the baggage = area.=20
 
The rotary makes nice hot exhaust which is great for = supporting a lot of=20 oil without leaving a residue (except for the 2-stroke oil)
 
Dave Leonard
 
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 6:05 PM, Charlie = England <flyrotary@lancaironline.net> wrote:
http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/store.cgi?ident=3D141791755= 1-356-672&action=3Dsearch

This=20 is made to control fuel to primer ports on a carb'd engine, but = would=20 probably do the job. No idea how well it would survive the heat of = the=20 engine compartment, where it would need to be for a quick/clean = cutoff.=20 Maybe mounted low on the firewall away from the air exit, with the = lines=20 running uphill to the smoke port on the exhaust?

Charlie

On=20 12/6/2014 2:59 PM, hoursaway1 wrote:
Yep, I'm here in Michigan doing holiday stuff = & visiting=20 kids/grand kids.  also am working on a smoke sys. for the = RV6A=20 Rotary, want min. 3 gal., portable, useing automotive fuel pump, = looking=20 for a solinoid valve control for flow ( no dribbling soft smoke = trail=20 ).  David R. Cook
 
 
From:=20 "Fly rotary blog, e-mail" mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net
To: "Fly=20 rotary blog, e-mail" mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net
Sent:=20 Friday, December 5, 2014 10:10:54 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary]=20 Re: the List
 
The last message that I seem to have = received from the=20 list was 11/19. this
is a test to see if I have = inadvertently been=20 dropped.
Bill=20 Schertz

 

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