Return-Path: Received: from [24.93.47.42] (HELO ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 3050993 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:57:45 -0500 Received: from dell (cs6669241-190.austin.rr.com [66.69.241.190]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with SMTP id i1TFvMZX020828 for ; Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:57:43 -0600 (CST) Message-ID: <000f01c3fedc$b9532500$6501a8c0@austin.rr.com> From: "Bob Darrah" To: "Rotary motors in aircraft" References: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: FW: [VAF Mailing List] Engine Choice Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:57:24 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1106 X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Jim Sower wrote: > <... A wind milling prop DOES have hugh drag compared to a > stopped one ...> > I know a wind milling prop (prop turning engine) has more drag > than a stopped prop (frozen engine or not enough airspeed to > overcome engine compression). This guy specified a freewheeling > prop (sprag clutch that is in the overrunning mode). There is > no resistance at all to the prop and the only "work" the > slipstream has to do is overcome the negligible sprag clutch > free wheeling friction Snip It depends: a free-wheeling prop in flat (high rpm) has considerable drag. Add some pitch, and the drag goes down rapidly. As an example, take a helicopter in autorotation or a auto-gyro. the prop (rotor) is in flat pitch and is freewheeling. > > I can't argue with your experience, but I had always understood > that a frozen prop had less drag than a prop wind milling the > engine, but that the difference was not significant. My understanding is that the difference is very significant. A> freewheeling prop is waaaay different from a wind milling prop. > Like if you have a sprag clutch and turn up the engine to high > rpm and then shut it down, the engine stops immediately but the > prop will keep spinning for a couple of minutes. Or as long as the wind turns it. > > <... When you think wind milling drag ... think prop circle > area, not just the blades cross section themselves. Square yards > of drag, not square ft ...> > I don't think that's exactly the way it works quantitatively. > Maybe Marc can help. Oooops! Marc is not on this list. Maybe not exactly, but darn close. > > As I read it .... Jim S. And as I read it....Bob Darrah