X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm1-vm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com ([216.39.63.179] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.6) with ESMTPS id 6441787 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:21:21 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.39.63.179; envelope-from=echristley@att.net Received: from [216.39.60.171] by nm1.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 14:20:45 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.212] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.gq1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 14:20:45 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 26 Aug 2013 14:20:45 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1377526845; bh=fC3XovM8QnTAqwh9Tr5ZPrDbOLQdKlEgjb44tM9oMJI=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:User-Agent:MIME-Version:To:Subject:References:In-Reply-To:Content-Type; b=YXZKUJo9LkWo7Qt35QPkOlUIpQrKbzBYPCUn9XZnv4KIdc1USZSLtKhlHGkhx/Lf6Lw0enW+ShrOffYE7XApf07p4NsuHb62TPyeCbNkQo9GqMiWiCaZoB6mgKJ9eVwXLPHvmeZV16tHkXdJFQYNDGNE9FCk/8ST9GLAoJTR/74= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 313009.80065.bm@smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: 2YOesk0VM1mJEB6qnfcBVSzsyxoFVmR341IbUIAGuQMIyq4 IhjiMS7S3ce3uq57swHSVBeEmdj4GNWaH8yTCCqoOzVALRKQ8TYaFqdZnERh CWpvoEWzVsANrxFW.1KK2kIop2K9oyzWaB1SHyav4pI1t0BWw2W0fR5cm8sm e9SqJbZTqyfKfHphftf0WTY3SwYKavJbMBmZpd6Xt6l_Gcliby_yXAARNZzp LlCnG6teFn2ONK44Byd73gsBElClRw0N4Ygw8h5GUHblhYPOAhVh7BJKg8hk lFqGKVuJaMT.eEPFlnysczYJePbvuKwvelpkcH.BETs_qkGners5x1xwuN.E ruvRnyPwIFD9irAKL6DS4EvlbaR1d4LkP1ae8j5uR_rN3jOXRTLTiYwpn1yE _VMfG2UmDCsHFiH_V_7gjgPUb5J9C3K8DGZ2fTBcB3FEIq4bClLkS46S5mUa X9NSymRTpP5J4Tkc8RIpRR3Ter6ziUaihgnAwYCEgVJBjrhaLo7sbPqJnF5Z IdbVs6JKV5e.eFHoAYzgC2eI2jqBN1Hn39Wg_FSKEvjphU3tQ3TWxGdGPnu_ QtIiu8cY67O6YPaYZgYhLk_nMe7txibrPs482n24U6PePLe0TmRPILHM9tHx jXMi8RqkWnlAOkPUkjqBkD5bjYyDQx4OduETydH_fNh7utrij_bAZNtjQ8cU 3Gw-- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 40RP3pGswBDvPav1a.I8eMv.KS8bdgWBnCloVoKaow-- X-Rocket-Received: from [192.168.1.7] (echristley@174.97.249.0 with plain) by smtp101.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 2013 07:20:45 -0700 PDT Message-ID: <521B643C.4090203@att.net> Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 10:20:44 -0400 From: Ernest Christley Reply-To: echristley@att.net User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:17.0) Gecko/20130804 Thunderbird/17.0.8 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Injector Location References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------000401040608080609090504" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------000401040608080609090504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tom, I located my primaries in the stock position on the block. I have my controller using the primaries exclusively at idle. My working theory is to first get the fuel into the combustion chamber, and then to have it as close to completely evaporated as possible. Having the primaries squirting almost directly into the chamber insures that the miniscule amount of idle fuel actually ends up in the chamber. Once I hit 2k RPM, the secondaries start progressively sharing the load, until they're delivering half the fuel at 4k. The secondaries are located further back in the runners. By the time the engine is running this fast, the air is moving much faster in the runners than at idle, so locating them further back gives the fuel more time to evaporate. I have the engine running smoothly from idle to 5400 while doing static run-ups. On 08/23/2013 05:45 PM, Thomas Mann wrote: > Hey Chris ..... appreciate it. > You don’t happen to know what size tubes you have (Primary & Secondary)? > I think I’m getting close to formulating a plan. I’ve gotten some > input from John and Bonzai Racing but the Fly Rotary list has been > little help. Mostly just crickets there. > Thanks again. > T Mann > Sent from my ASUS TF600T using Windows 8 > 50% Brighter than any iPad > *From:* Chris Barber > *Sent:* ‎Friday‎, ‎August‎ ‎23‎, ‎2013 ‎4‎:‎34‎ ‎PM > *To:* Rotary motors in aircraft > I took some shots of my engine last night. I will try to post them on > the canard aviation site. > > Chris > > Sent from my iPhone 5 > > On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:56, "Thomas Mann" wrote: > > > I wonder why nobody sets up the second set of injectors the same way > the primaries are setup (i.e. shoot through the iron into the intake > port. ) > > That would sure simplify things and pretty much match up the fuel > delivery method. > > > > Is there a logical/rational reason this isn't configured in this manner? > > ......or .... has someone already done this? > > > > T Mann > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --------------000401040608080609090504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Tom, I located my primaries in the stock position on the block.  I have my controller using the primaries exclusively at idle.  My working theory is to first get the fuel into the combustion chamber, and then to have it as close to completely evaporated as possible.  Having the primaries squirting almost directly into the chamber insures that the miniscule amount of idle fuel actually ends up in the chamber.

Once I hit 2k RPM, the secondaries start progressively sharing the load, until they're delivering half the fuel at 4k.  The secondaries are located further back in the runners.  By the time the engine is running this fast, the air is moving much faster in the runners than at idle, so locating them further back gives the fuel more time to evaporate.

I have the engine running smoothly from idle to 5400 while doing static run-ups.


On 08/23/2013 05:45 PM, Thomas Mann wrote:
Hey Chris ..... appreciate it.
 
You don’t happen to know what size tubes you have (Primary & Secondary)?
 
I think I’m getting close to formulating a plan. I’ve gotten some input from John and Bonzai Racing but the Fly Rotary list has been little help. Mostly just crickets there.
 
Thanks again.
 
T Mann
 
Sent from my ASUS TF600T using Windows 8
50% Brighter than any iPad
 
From: Chris Barber
Sent: ‎Friday‎, ‎August‎ ‎23‎, ‎2013 ‎4‎:‎34‎ ‎PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
 
I took some shots of my engine last night. I will try to post them on the canard aviation site.

Chris

Sent from my iPhone 5

On Aug 23, 2013, at 7:56, "Thomas Mann" <thomasmann51@gmail.com> wrote:

> I wonder why nobody sets up the second set of injectors the same way the primaries are setup (i.e. shoot through the iron into the intake port. )
> That would sure simplify things and pretty much match up the fuel delivery method.
> 
> Is there a logical/rational reason this isn't configured in this manner?
> ......or .... has someone already done this?
> 
> T Mann

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