X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nm24-vm2.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com ([216.109.115.177] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.6) with ESMTPS id 6430715 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:12:41 -0400 Received-SPF: none receiver=logan.com; client-ip=216.109.115.177; envelope-from=echristley@att.net Received: from [66.196.81.161] by nm24.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2013 18:11:56 -0000 Received: from [98.138.84.214] by tm7.access.bullet.mail.bf1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2013 18:11:56 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by smtp103.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 17 Aug 2013 18:11:56 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=att.net; s=s1024; t=1376763116; bh=sCYs7oCvqErtxuoeEDhmEIrXhjRV7DgPDPMm4Fkt9oM=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Id:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:X-Rocket-Received:User-Agent:In-Reply-To:References:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Subject:From:Date:To:Message-ID; b=dz1Bd8B5IfIyQfAYFHHykIxm3UVWlmMLruak/2uhr2enKY3ifgDIN/NBCVSkPHM+SmQJxYMVqv1oUU5pQufu3mHgTM/xNcG7dcXmu2dkjosCgE+CPjxFTVsZav0NFw0pqwc/mUYj7Gt/gm9WNaQ7BEMef+w9dSTWUa90LFCgXkY= X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 276691.14781.bm@smtp103.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: Gm3g04cVM1nVI5trDG9jmv8RAO2xOaup_F15.TZ6B_.n9hq juupmrIcsTuuhTQAmO53p4dz7zh1hU73lBY.VWADHYdUg7kHOZbK7tD1w7lm K6EULuOWR8yK._riBdHSGzDjMgMTSavlxGasFEWJGVhGT8nYaII6P7rRAKhI QUf2n2AwW7SaOP7PfXc9HZBjYuku8AF1C7iko.YKmZYlR7oNXNnNKQBOMQVY ppoRlwOjcv9BZ0ZGI0lY0.JseM3AJRi8dy69iqlnupiCLEgKgiMrrTqkA7ps bfijSSPrB3WqE0XT0hDSZqwkbMN6fiicxApjMPRfS3BuJ2zATp3FbY7rZUke vwa_E861JtSzPZVHLbWMRKBHyAqVR0Jzx9AzKx4aPlZgthedvWXxsrZw9.Qh 2f5lYwuBJs3T2k0WMNWfzP3DWYmF46lK9ByPzY3LLswB.55L7NsXEmJ5IEPz 4RWn6nKicK7FjXPBtDNaFbVdeVe0ECvQc8Sr71VjuyN0SD0TuaEwq5Y8i1YX ny9mH7HAVj61xUksp3ljkxZaLV86_lGWW.qpK_njWG2ONYxZ25.oG7m3I5Hf ZLQ736CPUIiHFJmTbosLpixpuLPYSS_Nzowul50hOcI7UUpEoZhrxSh6HscT 7gOfY8_IeD0oXPW79NDsINE2a7O75SCOdP29ENgEpkN2v307omhFBqphyMkc VR00- X-Yahoo-SMTP: 40RP3pGswBDvPav1a.I8eMv.KS8bdgWBnCloVoKaow-- X-Rocket-Received: from [10.236.45.235] (echristley@174.237.4.98 with plain) by smtp103.sbc.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 2013 18:11:56 +0000 UTC User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----74GWKS4PSMRAR44D9SX48CX6OE4D8N" Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Fuel tank repair From: Ernest Christley Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 14:03:35 -0400 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Message-ID: ------74GWKS4PSMRAR44D9SX48CX6OE4D8N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mark McClure wrote: >Navy T-34C's have a rubber bladder lining of the fuel tanks. They use >jet fuel so it's not an issue of ethanol but more of a if there is a >leak just replace the bladder solution. > >Not sure about your fuel tank design but could you not use some sort of >a liner? > >Mark > >On Aug 16, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Ernest Christley >wrote: > >> I think this is going to be the solution, Lynn. The tank isn't >exactly smooth at the outlet, so I'm going to have to make some >modifications to the general concept, and I may end up with a bit of >unusable fuel, which I don't have now. But, I have a bulkhead fitting >on hand, so I'll at least give it a try. >> >> >> On 08/15/2013 12:41 PM, Lehanover@aol.com wrote: >>> If the tank is smooth on the inside. You could hand ream the hole >out to big enough for a bulkhead fitting. The long run of the fitting >would go into the tank. Make up a thick aluminum disc, big enough to >cover the crack. Use fuel tank sealer in the hole and under the washer. >Tighten the jamb huts with sealant under each. >>> You could have the same washer under the bottom side as well. >>> Now the crack is covered top and bottom with sealant and washers. >Trim off any excess fitting and radius inlet to improve flow. The >fitting can now be pointed in any direction. I can make a drawing if > you need one. >>> >>> Lynn E. Hanover >>> >>> >>> >>> In a message dated 8/15/2013 10:30:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, >echristley@att.net writes: >>> The Delta has one ~50gal tank that sits behind the back seat. Not >>> wishing to fight the compatibility issues between epoxies and >whatever >>> the government may mandate be put into our fuel supply next year, I >went >>> with an welded up aluminum tank which I epoxied into the turtleback. >>> >>> For fittings, I welded in two NPT adapter bungs to the bottom of the > >>> tank. One for fuel supply, and one for return. I had a small, >seeping >>> leak at the supply fitting. I needed to turn the NPT-to-AN6 90 >degree >>> adapter one more turn to make it seal. I got it most of the way >around >>> before I heard a sharp ping. The bung that I welded in is now >split. >>> And that split is guaranteed to expand with vibration. >>> >>> The only solution I can think if is to cut a round hole to remove >the >>> bung, and then construct two plates (one for the inside of the tank >and >>> one for the outside), with a hole in the center for the 90 degree >>> adapter. The problem is, the tank can now be viewed as a bomb. How >can >>> I cut a hole in the bottom of the tank, which will require that I >work >>> in an enclose space, without the possibility of a spark making short > >>> work of everything? >>> >>> -- >>> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >>> Archive and UnSub: >http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >> Not with the baffling -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. 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Mark McClure <markmcclure@me.com> wrote:
Navy T-34C's have a rubber bladder lining of the fuel tanks. They use jet fuel so it's not an issue of ethanol but more of a if there is a leak just replace the bladder solution.

Not sure about your fuel tank design but could you not use some sort of a liner?

Mark

On Aug 16, 2013, at 7:23 AM, Ernest Christley <echristley@att.net> wrote:

I think this is going to be the solution, Lynn.  The tank isn't exactly smooth at the outlet, so I'm going to have to make some modifications to the general concept, and I may end up with a bit of unusable fuel, which I don't have now.  But, I have a bulkhead fitting on hand, so I'll at least give it a try.


On 08/15/2013 12:41 PM, Lehanover@aol.com wrote:
If the tank is smooth on the inside. You could hand ream the hole out to big enough for a bulkhead fitting. The long run of the fitting would go into the tank. Make up a thick aluminum disc, big enough to cover the crack. Use fuel tank sealer in the hole and under the washer. Tighten the jamb huts with sealant under each.
You could have the same washer under the bottom side as well.
Now the crack is covered top and bottom with sealant and washers. Trim off any excess fitting and radius inlet to improve flow. The fitting can now be pointed in any direction.  I can make a drawing if you need one.
 
Lynn E. Hanover  
 
 
 
In a message dated 8/15/2013 10:30:37 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, echristley@att.net writes:
The Delta has one ~50gal tank that sits behind the back seat.  Not
wishing to fight the compatibility issues between epoxies and whatever
the government may mandate be put into our fuel supply next year, I went
with an welded up aluminum tank which I epoxied into the turtleback.

For fittings, I welded in two NPT adapter bungs to the bottom of the
tank.  One for fuel supply, and one for return.   I had a small, seeping
leak at the supply fitting. I needed to turn the NPT-to-AN6 90 degree
adapter one more turn to make it seal.  I got it most of the way around
before I heard a sharp ping.  The bung that I welded in is now split. 
And that split is guaranteed to expand with vibration.

The only solution I can think if is to cut a round hole to remove the
bung, and then construct two plates (one for the inside of the tank and
one for the outside), with a hole in the center for the 90 degree
adapter.  The problem is, the tank can now be viewed as a bomb.  How can
I cut a hole in the bottom of the tank, which will require that I work
in an enclose space, without the possibility of a spark making short
work of everything?

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