Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #60104
From: <Lehanover@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Single Rotor Update
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 11:24:02 -0400 (EDT)
To: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Stromberg and SU carbs had float bowls fitted right beside the venturi. Dead simple. Reliable.
Sensitive to fuel level in the bowl.
 
Lynn E. Hanover
 
In a message dated 8/17/2013 10:54:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes:
I have a friend who tried an Ellison on a 13B.  Never could get the low end and the high end fuel flow to work together (I think the airflow range for the rotary exceeded the model he was using). 
 
In any case, it finally failed him, destroyed his aircraft in the crash landing, but fortunately came through with no physical damage to the pilot.  When he set the Ellison up so it would idle OK, he ran out of fuel flow on the high end.  When he set if so the high end flow was good, he had too much fuel on the low end.  Never did sort it out.
 
Ed
 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 9:53 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Single Rotor Update
 
I am not really sure what is causing the problem, since some of the interior can not be opened without causing damage to crimps. From what can be seen from the outside and the results of my observations, I think there is insufficient air bleeding in the section between the pressure regulator and the spray tube, which is affecting fuel flow continuity under certain condition.
There is no information available as of the difference of the physical lay out form the original Ellison carb.
I realize that I do not have a good case for functional reliability, but I have don extensive investigation on the test stand, which clearly identified the area of concern so I can stay away from it.
 
By the way, after a couple of emails with ROTEC there was just silence from their side.
 
Richard Sohn
N2071U

http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html
 
Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:04 AM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Single Rotor Update
 
So Richard,
 
Why causes the problem with the origination orientation of the TB  – does the jet leak, fail to fee fuel in that orientation – airflow problem?
 
Ed
 
Sent: Friday, August 16, 2013 10:44 PM
Subject: [FlyRotary] Single Rotor Update
 
Another update, hopefully the last one on the engine.
 
The problem with the ROTEC TBI (Ellison) has been solved. It turned out that a statement by the manufacturer is not fully correct, if not misleading.
My problem was engine cut out at WOT. This only occurred at high speed taxi, not on the test stand.
 
ROTEC statement:” Because the TBI has no float bowl, it will work in any orientation, even upside down” 
I found out that if the slide throttle is horizontal in a side draft configuration, you can encounter the problems I had.
 
The problem showed up, with the slide throttle 5deg down at the “open” end. This is the difference between the horizontal orientation on my test stand and the installation in the tail dragger on the ground.
 
I solved the problem with orienting the TBI 45deg up on the “open” end, after testing all variants I could imagine. This change included a unique double acting Bowden cable throttle.
The last two straight TOL  worked flawless.
 
Richard Sohn
N2071U

http://www.fairpoint.net/~res12/home.html
 


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