Mailing List flyrotary@lancaironline.net Message #60003
From: <shipchief@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo Selection Workbook- Rev1
Date: Wed, 17 Jul 2013 19:34:45 -0400 (EDT)
To: <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
That would fit in with my recent experience. I have a TO4 turbine with a 60-1 compressor. The "P trim"exhaust housing A/R is .81. It is being replaced with an A/R 1.30 exhaust housing, due to the boost coming on too strong at low RPM. I just re-installed the engine after detonating and rebuilding it.
Yesterday I installed a dual 50" Hg manifold pressure gauge from a Cessna centerline twin, hooked to manifold pressure (rear) and Turbo Discharge Pressure (front). I can now monitor boost pressure before and after the throttle body. The exhaust housing has not been delivered yet. I'm looking at Blow Off Valves, but customer reviews on several have not been great, and they are typically about 7 pounds. I'm currently planning to use a 4 PSI radiator cap with weld on fill neck on the turbo pipe before the throttle body. I'll drill extra holes around the flange to allow more escape flow once the cap valve lifts. Old school very light BOV.
So far the aircraft weight & balance indicates my 13BT installation is lighter than an O-360 installation, as the weight was light and the Center of Gravity slightly aft of comparable O-360 powered RV-8s.
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From: CozyGirrrl <CozyGirrrl@aol.com>
To: Rotary motors in aircraft <flyrotary@lancaironline.net>
Sent: Mon, Jul 15, 2013 8:19 pm
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo Selection Workbook- Rev1

I read somewhere a few years ago there is not a cert aircraft turbo installation with a turbo A/R less than 1, fwiw a data point.
 
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In a message dated 7/15/2013 8:55:25 P.M. Central Daylight Time, bhughes@qnsi.net writes:
Dave,
 
With the super charger I typically cruise with engine rpm’s between 4850 and 5400 set with the prop controller. Cruise climb around 5800-6200. Throttle Body is wide open and MP controlled with a vernier cable to the super charger bypass. Applying these settings to the published turbo compressor maps puts me outside the surge line at low engine rpm and high altitude. Several things could be done to move the pressure ratio lower. Run higher rpm at altitudes above 15K, use a ram air inlet to eliminate and boost air pressure at the turbo inlet or use an intercooler with a lower pressure drop.  I have not been able to find compressor maps that compare different turbine A/R’s for the same compressor components. My concern would be using a .96 or 1.0 A/R and moving further toward the surge line. That may not be the case.
 
Bobby
 
 
 
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of David Leonard
Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 7:16 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: Turbo Selection Workbook- Rev1
 
Should be no effect.   Compressor map is a function of variables independent of what harnessed the energy(ie, the turbine section).  That it not to say that changing the turbine A/R does not effect overall efficiency and a host of other things, just not the compressor map itself. 
 
Compressor sections also have an A/R, but changing that would mean that a whole new compressor map needs to be generated.
 
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 3:33 PM, Bobby J. Hughes <bhughes@qnsi.net> wrote:
I think I located and corrected two errors. Can anyone explain how the turbine housing A/R affects the compressor map?
 
Bobby
 
 
 
From: Rotary motors in aircraft [mailto:flyrotary@lancaironline.net] On Behalf Of Bobby J. Hughes
Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2013 6:51 PM
To: Rotary motors in aircraft
Subject: [FlyRotary] Turbo Selection Workbook- Initial Draft
 
I’ve modified a turbo sizing workbook I found on the internet. The modification allow for 8 operational scenarios to account for altitude, target HP, OAT etc. Each scenario provides a corrected airflow and pressure ratio needed to select an appropriate turbo. The workbook may contain errors so I’m sending it out for input. Hopefully Ed or someone can validate the formulas and those flying turbo aircraft will commit on real world experience.
 
Bobby Hughes
 
 


 
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