X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com ([17.158.58.246] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTP id 6352540 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 01:48:32 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=17.158.58.246; envelope-from=steveizett@me.com Received: from [10.1.1.11] (203-59-61-155.dyn.iinet.net.au [203.59.61.155]) by nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-26.01(7.0.4.26.0) 64bit (built Jul 13 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0MP30092R9FL9G70@nk11p08mm-asmtp001.mac.com> for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Fri, 28 Jun 2013 05:47:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.10.8794,1.0.431,0.0.0000 definitions=2013-06-28_02:2013-06-28,2013-06-28,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1305010000 definitions=main-1306270319 From: Stephen Izett Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_A4E89E12-58BC-4291-AED5-5BDF0AEC826C" Message-id: <6419565D-D93F-4C77-A4D2-42F6BDD7036B@me.com> MIME-version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 6.5 \(1508\)) Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: How to throttle? Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:47:45 +0800 References: To: Rotary motors in aircraft In-reply-to: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1508) --Apple-Mail=_A4E89E12-58BC-4291-AED5-5BDF0AEC826C Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Neil. Sorry what may be a stupid question. What the TB? Steve On 28/06/2013, at 11:35 AM, Neil Unger wrote: > Steve, > I am insignificant compared to the others, but I prefer a = vernier throttle due to the summer turbulence in OZ. Even in my Baron = with the quadrant throttles you had to be quick as your hand passed the = throttle to get the right adjustment and sometimes impossible. Then I = do not intentionally do aerobatics either, and the only formation flying = is with wedge tailed eagles, so I find the vernier throttle just so = smooth and simple as I usually wind it in and out with my thumb. I have = also accumulated 3 excess cables to requirements, so if you want to try = one let me know. The last one I modified by using the vernier handpiece = and adding the Teflon lined spiral cable to it which made it a lot = lighter. I will include a photo of the setup at the TB. Neil. > =20 > From: Stephen Izett > Sent: Friday, June 28, 2013 9:10 AM > To: Rotary motors in aircraft > Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: How to throttle? > =20 > Thanks guys for the feedback. Chris, Tracy, Dave. Much appreciated. > =20 > Steve Izett > =20 > =20 > =20 > On 28/06/2013, at 1:56 AM, David Leonard wrote: >=20 >> Hi Steve, >> I take exception to Tracy's statement about formation flying. I do = quite a lot of formation flying and instruct every year at our clinic. = The only thing you really don't want (and cant have) is a vernier. = There is no need because the friction lock works just fine. However, a = vernier would make any kind of quality formation flight impossible and = could in theory be dangerous.=20 >> =20 >> Quadrant vs. push-pull is a personal choice. I have never talked to = anyone who flies with the left hand that has experienced even the = slightest difficulty adjusting. Quadrants look cooler and are possibly = easier to operate sometimes, but they are more expensive, and take up = more space. >> =20 >> Consider this though. When flying a light aircraft with the left = hand on the sick, the right hand is now free to work the throttle and, = more importantly, all the other switches and knobs. Most radios are set = up to be operated with the right hand on the control knob (which is = mounted on the right side of the device). When using the left hand to = say tune a radio or adjust the altimeter, your wrist now may block out = whatever digits on the display that you are trying to adjust. I am much = better at trying to tune a radio or mess with a computer in turbulence = with my right hand. My left hand has no problem with flying the plane - = that is gross motor stuff. >> =20 >> My cockpit is setup so that my right hand easily adjust all the = knobs, switches and computers while my left hand never has to leave the = stick and PTT button. I once flew an RV-4 with a quadrant and felt that = I constantly had to switch from flying with my right hand so that my = left could work the throttle, to flying with my left so that my right = hand could operate the radios and what-not. Switching back and forth is = far less than optimal, especially in formation flight when you = occasionally need to make a quick adjustment of something. That = experience made me very glad that I installed a push-pull operated with = my right hand. >> =20 >> =20 >> Dave Leonard >>=20 >>=20 >> On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Tracy wrote: >> I never considered anything but a quadrant. I can't imagine doing = aerobatics holding the stick in my left ( I'm right handed) and = reaching for the throttle with my right. You won't even be allowed = into most formation flying classes without a quadrant throttle. >>=20 >> Besides, it's hard to pretend you are dogfighting with the Red Baron = without one. >>=20 >> Tracy >>=20 >> Sent from my iPad >>=20 >> On Jun 27, 2013, at 7:57, Stephen Izett wrote: >>=20 >> > I'm in need of a throttle and I'm only a student pilot. >> > I'm learning in a Cessna with standard pushPull. >> > Can I ask you experienced guys: >> > >> > 1. What are the pro's con's of: Push Pull Vs Console mounted = Quadrant? >> > 2. How about vernier on the throttle if its a console mounted push = pull? >> > or is this to difficult to operate quickly? >> > >> > Thanks >> > >> > Steve Izett >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>=20 >> -- >> Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ >> Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html >>=20 >>=20 >> =20 >> --=20 >> David Leonard >>=20 >> Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY >> http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net >> http://RotaryRoster.net >=20 > =20 > > =20 > <016 (Small).JPG>-- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: = http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html --Apple-Mail=_A4E89E12-58BC-4291-AED5-5BDF0AEC826C Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks Neil.
Sorry what may be a stupid question. What the TB?

Steve

On 28/06/2013, at 11:35 AM, Neil Unger <neil.unger@bigpond.com> wrote:

Steve,
            I am insignificant compared to the others, but I prefer a vernier throttle  due to the summer turbulence in OZ.  Even in my Baron with the quadrant throttles you had to be quick as your hand passed the throttle to get the right adjustment and sometimes impossible.  Then I do not intentionally do aerobatics either, and the only formation flying is with wedge tailed eagles, so I find the vernier throttle just so smooth and simple as I usually wind it in and out with my thumb.  I have also accumulated 3 excess cables to requirements, so if you want to try one let me know.  The last one I modified by using the vernier handpiece and adding the Teflon lined spiral cable to it which made it a lot lighter.  I will include a photo of the setup at the TB.  Neil.
 
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Subject: [FlyRotary] Re: How to throttle?
 
Thanks guys for the feedback. Chris, Tracy, Dave. Much appreciated.
 
Steve Izett
 
 
 
On 28/06/2013, at 1:56 AM, David Leonard <wdleonard@gmail.com> wrote:

Hi Steve,
I take exception to Tracy's statement about formation flying.  I do quite a lot of formation flying and instruct every year at our clinic.  The only thing you really don't want (and cant have) is a vernier.  There is no need because the friction lock works just fine.  However, a vernier would make any kind of quality formation flight impossible and could in theory be dangerous. 
 
Quadrant vs. push-pull is a personal choice.  I have never talked to anyone who flies with the left hand that has experienced even the slightest difficulty adjusting.  Quadrants look cooler and are possibly easier to operate sometimes, but they are more expensive, and take up more space.
 
Consider this though.  When flying a light aircraft with the left hand on the sick, the right hand is now free to work the throttle and, more importantly, all the other switches and knobs.  Most radios are set up to be operated with the right hand on the control knob (which is mounted on the right side of the device).  When using the left hand to say tune a radio or adjust the altimeter, your wrist now may block out whatever digits on the display that you are trying to adjust.  I am much better at trying to tune a radio or mess with a computer in turbulence with my right hand.  My left hand has no problem with flying the plane - that is gross motor stuff.
 
My cockpit is setup so that my right hand easily adjust all the knobs, switches and computers while my left hand never has to leave the stick and PTT button.  I once flew an RV-4 with a quadrant and felt that I constantly had to switch from flying with my right hand so that my left could work the throttle, to flying with my left so that my right hand could operate the radios and what-not. Switching back and forth is far less than optimal, especially in formation flight when you occasionally need to make a quick adjustment of something.  That experience made me very glad that I installed a push-pull operated with my right hand.
 
 
Dave Leonard


On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Tracy <rwstracy@gmail.com> wrote:
I never considered anything but a quadrant.   I can't imagine doing aerobatics holding the stick in my left ( I'm right handed)  and reaching for the throttle with my right.   You won't even be allowed into most formation flying classes without a quadrant throttle.

Besides, it's hard to pretend you are dogfighting with the Red Baron without one.

Tracy

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 27, 2013, at 7:57, Stephen Izett <steveizett@me.com> wrote:

> I'm in need of a throttle and I'm only a student pilot.
> I'm learning in a Cessna with standard pushPull.
> Can I ask you experienced guys:
>
> 1. What are the pro's con's of: Push Pull Vs Console mounted Quadrant?
> 2. How about vernier on the throttle if its a console mounted  push pull?
> or is this to difficult to operate quickly?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve Izett
>
>
>
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