X-Virus-Scanned: clean according to Sophos on Logan.com Return-Path: Received: from mail-la0-f52.google.com ([209.85.215.52] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 6.0.5) with ESMTPS id 6351876 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 13:57:06 -0400 Received-SPF: pass receiver=logan.com; client-ip=209.85.215.52; envelope-from=wdleonard@gmail.com Received: by mail-la0-f52.google.com with SMTP id fo12so1185444lab.11 for ; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:56:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UBlY5LDCDkBlwX7+NvY8yQVC8Qg24FL3Fwm9822yHPY=; b=MNKHukU5P7UMe9x1wOMA0ZfWNkiaWfEB4YKWyPtVeaqvHFBa8SbnWHmLP97TITup50 523Ii5SM5UmqOuriRinSDDAJgGc5iJ1CMYTyD1Jm+CUX0lpgZACn75NMAy3oJm/9dvW1 sYSpv6EsslOr5jpO+reLkfnG9rwXoUT0rcKpykpHhMxMdjCRaNh2xRPrakqxsgMS311D kUUkQHiMBj271NPqZJ8HizH9JdOP5qbMu/IVGp777yX0HIinSh70u76qKpoyVJ34GAWh cCmSbVILCCYLLoeK+Ql+NhStIjEc/Egcr8IIS+tvKzYKTeJXW5L9n/7REonLU9md6wJE j4LA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.112.55.140 with SMTP id s12mr1849723lbp.42.1372355788773; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:56:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.112.60.70 with HTTP; Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:56:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2013 10:56:28 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: How to throttle? From: David Leonard To: Rotary motors in aircraft Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1133e95a4b9db004e0267b03 --001a1133e95a4b9db004e0267b03 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Steve, I take exception to Tracy's statement about formation flying. I do quite a lot of formation flying and instruct every year at our clinic. The only thing you really don't want (and cant have) is a vernier. There is no need because the friction lock works just fine. However, a vernier would make any kind of quality formation flight impossible and could in theory be dangerous. Quadrant vs. push-pull is a personal choice. I have never talked to anyone who flies with the left hand that has experienced even the slightest difficulty adjusting. Quadrants look cooler and are possibly easier to operate sometimes, but they are more expensive, and take up more space. Consider this though. When flying a light aircraft with the left hand on the sick, the right hand is now free to work the throttle and, more importantly, all the other switches and knobs. Most radios are set up to be operated with the right hand on the control knob (which is mounted on the right side of the device). When using the left hand to say tune a radio or adjust the altimeter, your wrist now may block out whatever digits on the display that you are trying to adjust. I am much better at trying to tune a radio or mess with a computer in turbulence with my right hand. My left hand has no problem with flying the plane - that is gross motor stuff. My cockpit is setup so that my right hand easily adjust all the knobs, switches and computers while my left hand never has to leave the stick and PTT button. I once flew an RV-4 with a quadrant and felt that I constantly had to switch from flying with my right hand so that my left could work the throttle, to flying with my left so that my right hand could operate the radios and what-not. Switching back and forth is far less than optimal, especially in formation flight when you occasionally need to make a quick adjustment of something. That experience made me very glad that I installed a push-pull operated with my right hand. Dave Leonard On Thu, Jun 27, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Tracy wrote: > I never considered anything but a quadrant. I can't imagine doing > aerobatics holding the stick in my left ( I'm right handed) and reaching > for the throttle with my right. You won't even be allowed into most > formation flying classes without a quadrant throttle. > > Besides, it's hard to pretend you are dogfighting with the Red Baron > without one. > > Tracy > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jun 27, 2013, at 7:57, Stephen Izett wrote: > > > I'm in need of a throttle and I'm only a student pilot. > > I'm learning in a Cessna with standard pushPull. > > Can I ask you experienced guys: > > > > 1. What are the pro's con's of: Push Pull Vs Console mounted Quadrant? > > 2. How about vernier on the throttle if its a console mounted push pull? > > or is this to difficult to operate quickly? > > > > Thanks > > > > Steve Izett > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > > -- > Homepage: http://www.flyrotary.com/ > Archive and UnSub: > http://mail.lancaironline.net:81/lists/flyrotary/List.html > -- David Leonard Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net http://RotaryRoster.net --001a1133e95a4b9db004e0267b03 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Steve,
I take exception to Tracy's statem= ent about formation flying. =A0I do quite a lot of formation flying and ins= truct every year at our clinic. =A0The only thing you really don't want= (and cant have) is a vernier. =A0There is no need because the friction loc= k works just fine. =A0However, a vernier would make any kind of quality for= mation flight impossible and could in theory be dangerous. =A0

Quadrant vs. push-pull is a personal choice= . =A0I have never talked to anyone who flies with the left hand that has ex= perienced even the slightest difficulty adjusting. =A0Quadrants look cooler= and are possibly easier to operate sometimes, but they are more expensive,= and take up more space.=A0

Consider this though. =A0When flying a ligh= t aircraft with the left hand on the sick, the right hand is now free to wo= rk the throttle and, more importantly, all the other switches and knobs. = =A0Most radios are set up to be operated with the right hand on the control= knob (which is mounted on the right side of the device). =A0When using the= left hand to say tune a radio or adjust the altimeter, your wrist now may = block out whatever digits on the display that you are trying to adjust. =A0= I am much better at trying to tune a radio or mess with a computer in turbu= lence with my right hand. =A0My left hand has no problem with flying the pl= ane - that is gross motor stuff.

My cockpit is setup so that my right hand e= asily adjust all the knobs, switches and computers while my left hand never= has to leave the stick and PTT button. =A0I once flew an RV-4 with a quadr= ant and felt that I constantly had to switch from flying with my right hand= so that my left could work the throttle, to flying with my left so that my= right hand could operate the radios and what-not. Switching back and forth= is far less than optimal, especially in formation flight when you occasion= ally need to make a quick adjustment of something. =A0That experience made = me very glad that I installed a push-pull operated with my right hand.


Dave Leonard


On Thu, Jun= 27, 2013 at 7:31 AM, Tracy <rwstracy@gmail.com> wrote:
I never considered anything but a quadrant. = =A0 I can't imagine doing aerobatics holding the stick in my left ( I&#= 39;m right handed) =A0and reaching for the throttle with my right. =A0 You = won't even be allowed into most formation flying classes without a quad= rant throttle.

Besides, it's hard to pretend you are dogfighting with the Red Baron wi= thout one.

Tracy

Sent from my iPad

On Jun 27, 2013, at 7:57, Stephen Izett <steveizett@me.com> wrote:

> I'm in need of a throttle and I'm only a student pilot.
> I'm learning in a Cessna with standard pushPull.
> Can I ask you experienced guys:
>
> 1. What are the pro's con's of: Push Pull Vs Console mounted Q= uadrant?
> 2. How about vernier on the throttle if its a console mounted =A0push = pull?
> or is this to difficult to operate quickly?
>
> Thanks
>
> Steve Izett
>
>
>
>
>
>
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