Return-Path: Received: from out009.verizon.net ([206.46.170.131] verified) by logan.com (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.1.8) with ESMTP id 3041804 for flyrotary@lancaironline.net; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:53:17 -0500 Received: from netzero.net ([4.12.145.173]) by out009.verizon.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.06 201-253-122-130-106-20030910) with ESMTP id <20040223135316.CYBP11926.out009.verizon.net@netzero.net> for ; Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:53:16 -0600 Message-ID: <403A05C8.4040203@netzero.net> Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 08:53:12 -0500 From: Finn Lassen User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax; PROMO) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rotary motors in aircraft Subject: Re: [FlyRotary] Re: Primer valve? References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out009.verizon.net from [4.12.145.173] at Mon, 23 Feb 2004 07:53:16 -0600 Thanks Ed. As I woke up this morning it occurred to me: a fuel injector is such a valve! Of course I don't know if it will flow any fuel at all at low pressures like 4 psi. But that is easy to test. And it (they) will fit right in! I can't remember if the chokes on my Mikuni carbs also act like an "accelerator pump", but don't think so. "Cold start" is a relative term. It was close to 80F here yesterday. Finn Ed Anderson wrote: >>In order to cold start the engine I still have to blow a bit of fuel in >>through a sparkplug hole. I don't particularily facy this procedure: >>remove cowling and a sparkplug, squirt gas into the hole, put plug back >>in and cowling back on, and then start and go fly. >> >>I have the two injection holes in the center housing blocked off. I'm >>considering the idea of adding an electric valve between (pressurized) >>fuel lines to carbs and one of those holes. >> >>Anybody got a good source for a solenoid valve (closed when no power)? >> >> >> >Finn, > > One possibility on the cold start problem. Even with an injector to >squirt fuel (regardless of air flow) into the intake runners, I have found >starting on cold mornings takes a bit of cranking. When I had injectors in >the block it was no problem, but when I moved then away from the block the >problem on cold mornings be came a bit more problematic. I suspect that >with a carburetor which is dependent on air flow for proper fuel metering, >low air flow during cranking might make it more of a problem. Don't know >whether you have anything like an "accelerator pump" on your carburetor, I >suspect not. >So if you have low cranking rpm or possibly an air leak that would reduce >fuel metering, that possibly could contribute to the situation. > >Regarding a solenoid, the Lycomings often have a primer pump for cold >starting. In some cases this is manual plunge pump but they also sell >primer solenoids which are electrically controlled. Check AirCraft Spruce. > >Ed Anderson > >